Day Tripping the Bond's??

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walker said:
...When atop Bondcliff, try to find any man-made object. You can't...
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Well....not exactly. Here are three. And the Loon ski lift might be another, but I'm not sure, as I don't spend too much time looking southwest when on Bondcliff.
I do agree with the spirit of your comment.


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I did the traverse six times before I left the area, once in the summer, once in the winter and four times in the Fall. For a long beautiful hike like that I would maintain that the Fall is absolutely the best time to do it. I found it less fatiguing in the cool air and at that time of year four liters of water was all I needed. It's definitely one of the greatest hikes in the Whites.
 
It was 10 years ago, but I think I used about 3 liters of water out and back from the north side to the Bonds. That was 17.6m I believe, including Zealand but not Bondcliff. I know for sure I only used 2.5 liters on a day hike to Bondcliff from Lincoln Woods in August 2013 on a warm day. Some may need or want more but 8-10 liters, even for a full traverse, sounds like hyper-hydration territory.
 
Ed'n Lauky said:
I did the traverse six times before I left the area, once in the summer, once in the winter and four times in the Fall. For a long beautiful hike like that I would maintain that the Fall is absolutely the best time to do it. I found it less fatiguing in the cool air and at that time of year four liters of water was all I needed. It's definitely one of the greatest hikes in the Whites.
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Gr8 advice. I plan on September for this one. I'm a few trips away from my 4k club. Life has really gotten in the way (not to mention fishing). I'm looking at Cabot and my last Tripyramid in July/August; Bonds and Isolation in Sept.
 
richard said:
In my daily life, I try to limit my salt intake to avoid a high blood pressure problem. Especially in the summer mos. I think I need the extra electrolytes. Where do they sell these ?
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Morton Lite Salt is about half sodium chloride and half potassium chloride, NoSalt is 100% potassium chloride, and, of course, table salt is 100% sodium chloride. (Lite Salt and NoSalt are available in grocery stores as salt substitutes.) Nerves and muscles need both potassium and sodium to operate properly and the concentrations in the body need to be within certain limits--either too much or too little can cause potentially serious problems. (Other ions are important too...)

I am neither a biochemist or medical doctor so I cannot give you specific advice for your situation. I suggest that you talk to your doctor or perhaps an appropriate specialist for advice.

I do know that the amount of the various ions in sweat can vary across people and within a single person so some experimentation may be required. One advantage of the make-it-yourself electrolytes is that you can independently vary the components to meet your needs. (Commercial electrolytes only allow you to vary the concentration of the total, but different brands vary so you can get some individual control by choice of brand.)

And, of course, your food is a factor too for both electrolytes and sugars.

Doug
 
DougPaul said:
Morton Lite Salt is about half sodium chloride and half potassium chloride, NoSalt is 100% potassium chloride, and, of course, table salt is 100% sodium chloride. (Lite Salt and NoSalt are available in grocery stores as salt substitutes.) Nerves and muscles need both potassium and sodium to operate properly and the concentrations in the body need to be within certain limits--either too much or too little can cause potentially serious problems. (Other ions are important too...)

I am neither a biochemist or medical doctor so I cannot give you specific advice for your situation. I suggest that you talk to your doctor or perhaps an appropriate specialist for advice.

I do know that the amount of the various ions in sweat can vary across people and within a single person so some experimentation may be required. One advantage of the make-it-yourself electrolytes is that you can independently vary the components to meet your needs. (Commercial electrolytes only allow you to vary the concentration of the total, but different brands vary so you can get some individual control by choice of brand.)

And, of course, your food is a factor too for both electrolytes and sugars.

Doug
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thanks, Doug. Good to know. I`ll look into it.
 
DougPaul said:
See http://www.vftt.org/forums/showthread.php?4914-Long-distance-nutrition&p=54650&v
iewfull=1#post54650 for the recipe. (The entire thread is worth reading.)

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I personally lose too much salt in my sweat and by the end of an active hot day don't have enough salt left to maintain adequate hydration (mild-to-medium hyponatremia). (I can still drink, but just piss it right back out.) I experimented with some commercial electrolytes and developed the above formulation. By using my electrolyte, I now can maintain good hydration throughout such days. For instance, I was out doing trail maintenance in 80F+ degree heat for 7:30 yesterday. My hydration level was perfect at the end of the day...

Doug
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I've been using the stripped-down version of this (just the Lite Salt + Water) ever since reading that thread, and it's done wonders for me. I leave out the sugar, figuring I'll get that from the dried fruit (dates/mango/pineapple) and other snacks I eat (and I'd rather not have sugar in my water bottle, it makes it go funky faster).

As far as people wanting to hide the taste, I don't find it tastes bad at all. In fact, it tastes refreshing when I'm getting a little dehydrated.
 
JCarter said:
I've been using the stripped-down version of this (just the Lite Salt + Water) ever since reading that thread, and it's done wonders for me. I leave out the sugar, figuring I'll get that from the dried fruit (dates/mango/pineapple) and other snacks I eat (and I'd rather not have sugar in my water bottle, it makes it go funky faster).
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That will work--the fundamental purpose of the sugar is to increase the rate of absorption rather than flavor or to deliver calories. I usually use ~1 tablespoon of sugar/liter (~1.4%), many of the commercial drinks use closer to the maximum amount of ~7%. Depending on the details of the hike, I carry either pre-mixed powder (with sugar) or only the Lite Salt. (Sugar is heavy.) More info can be found in the threads referenced in one of my earlier posts.

Bacterial growth due to the sugar hasn't been a problem for me if I consume it within a day. (I generally carry a number of 24oz water bottles (the largest bottle that will fit in my pocket comfortably...) and put the mix in when I switch to a new bottle.) At home, I refrigerate it.

As far as people wanting to hide the taste, I don't find it tastes bad at all. In fact, it tastes refreshing when I'm getting a little dehydrated.
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I personally prefer the taste with sugar, but find the taste OK without. Like many other flavors, I suspect that many who don't like it initially will get used to it.

Doug
 
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