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    No Treads on NE Trail Conditions - NH

    Usually this is packed with trail info. Only seeing two threads in addition to Darren's stickies. My browser or actually no activity there?

    Thanks.

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    Mine works fine

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    I see what Bushwhacked sees: Two posts in New Hampshire (three temporarily, since I made one as a test and then deleted it), no [recent] posts at all in the other Trail Conditions sections (not counting the two sticky posts copied in all of them).

    Old threads are still there, you can change the settings to show older posts (default is one month IIRC).

    Posting works just fine, so there's nothing wrong with the site. Either some data got deleted (though I think I'd have noticed) or there's been very low activity. Not completely unexpected this time of year, between holidays and tough weather.
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    I drove by Appalachia, Lowes, Bowman and Waumbek trailhead Sunday morning. Appalachia was drifted in, One car that looked like it may be hiker in Lowes, nothing at Bowman and no one in the Waumbek winter lot or down across from the church. When I came back it was -12 F and I saw one group at the parking down near the store for Waumbek. I just expect the reason for lack of reports was the downright poor weather.

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    I just checked and there are quite a few reports all of this week so far.

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    There a few reasons why the trail conditions are diminished.

    First, overall participation in VFTT and other vBulletin board systems is down
    Second, there are far better places than a generic text box to enter trail conditions
    Third, with condition aggregators (http://trailsnh.com), you can get all the blogs and other sites in one place
    Fourth, I was tired of deleting 20-30 spam messages a day because of open posting and I added a captcha to keep out the automated spam bots, which likely made it less pleasant to enter posts for anonymous posters (members still post without the captcha).

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    Quote Originally Posted by richard View Post
    I just checked and there are quite a few reports all of this week so far.
    I think I know what's causing confusion. You're looking at newenglandtrailconditions.com/nh/ , right?

    "Bushwhacked" is talking about VFTT's own trail conditions section http://www.vftt.org/forums/forumdisp...ail-Conditions where there's been nothing since December.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nartreb View Post
    I think I know what's causing confusion. You're looking at newenglandtrailconditions.com/nh/ , right?

    "Bushwhacked" is talking about VFTT's own trail conditions section http://www.vftt.org/forums/forumdisp...ail-Conditions where there's been nothing since December.
    You’re right. My mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushwacked View Post
    Usually this is packed with trail info. Only seeing two threads in addition to Darren's stickies. My browser or actually no activity there?
    Usually packed? Years ago it was, but http://www.vftt.org/forums/forumdisp...ail-Conditions forums has been getting slower for a while.

    newenglandtrailconditions.com still has lots of posts, but that too is slowing down.

    TrailsNH found only 461 trip reports in the last 30 days. I would expect that number to be more like 600 or 700. I've seen it over 800, but not in a year or more.

    Why? I think it's social media. Mostly Facebook but also Instrgram. Lots of people are posting photos from their hikes with few to no details. Lots of others seem to prefer asking on Facebook "hey, what are the conditions on X". Even though they are likely to get harassed when they do.

    More people are hiking than ever, but they are a new breed with different expectations.
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    I’ve been using NETC since I started hiking 4 yrs. ago, not only to get valueable information about trail conditions, but to post some helpful information from SOME of my own hikes. I hope they stay popular. I have noticed that quite a few blogs and other forums that I used to follow have disappeared or slowed way down in the past year or so. It’s too bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nartreb View Post
    I think I know what's causing confusion. You're looking at newenglandtrailconditions.com/nh/ , right?

    "Bushwhacked" is talking about VFTT's own trail conditions section http://www.vftt.org/forums/forumdisp...ail-Conditions where there's been nothing since December.
    It's been cold, and I've skied a couple of times. I did Tecumseh last Sunday, but there were already a bunch of trail reports in that time, so I didn't feel compelled to add another. I still post almost all my trips here as I don't use Facebook and I already come here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimball View Post
    Usually packed? Years ago it was, but http://www.vftt.org/forums/forumdisp...ail-Conditions forums has been getting slower for a while.

    newenglandtrailconditions.com still has lots of posts, but that too is slowing down.

    TrailsNH found only 461 trip reports in the last 30 days. I would expect that number to be more like 600 or 700. I've seen it over 800, but not in a year or more.

    Why? I think it's social media. Mostly Facebook but also Instrgram. Lots of people are posting photos from their hikes with few to no details. Lots of others seem to prefer asking on Facebook "hey, what are the conditions on X". Even though they are likely to get harassed when they do.

    More people are hiking than ever, but they are a new breed with different expectations.
    This sparks several questions from me (but please, don't feel obligated to answer them!)

    1.) Are you noticing fewer viewers in addition to fewer posts?
    2.) Are you noticing fewer posts in the Whites, or all regions?
    3.) Is the average number of posts per using decreasing, or is the average number of unique posters going down? Or some combination of the two?
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    Quote Originally Posted by richard View Post
    You’re right. My mistake.
    NETC didn't have many reports either from the larger peaks, 4k's, etc. The horrible weather, especially on weekends, I think was the main culprit in the lack of info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimball View Post
    Usually packed? Years ago it was, but http://www.vftt.org/forums/forumdisp...ail-Conditions forums has been getting slower for a while.

    newenglandtrailconditions.com still has lots of posts, but that too is slowing down.

    TrailsNH found only 461 trip reports in the last 30 days. I would expect that number to be more like 600 or 700. I've seen it over 800, but not in a year or more.

    Why? I think it's social media. Mostly Facebook but also Instrgram. Lots of people are posting photos from their hikes with few to no details. Lots of others seem to prefer asking on Facebook "hey, what are the conditions on X". Even though they are likely to get harassed when they do.

    More people are hiking than ever, but they are a new breed with different expectations.
    As much as I like the format of NETC and the potential for good content, usable reports are few and far between now. Critical info like parking lot conditions, blowdowns, river crossings, etc are rarely covered in reports now. Several years ago this used to irritate me so I made it a point to post a very detailed trip report after all of my hikes (I used to get emails from time to time thanking me) but now that Facebook groups have gotten so enormous I don't know that anyone is relying on the points anymore. When you can just click through all the pictures and videos of someone's hikes in under a minute it provides a lot more information (well in theory anyway - many people's posts are just tales of what bad asses they are "crushing the mountains", narcissitic photos of their butts, doing yoga poses on the summit and group pics more focused on showing everyone who was there, not what the hiking was like). To Kimball's point, there is a significantly new demographic involved in hiking now and their goals and expectations are indeed not the same.

    I've often thought about starting a blog or website or closed Facebook group that just posted photos of road conditions, parking conditions and trail conditions. No comments, no stories. Just a description, date and time with picture and nothing else. A picture is worth a thousand words. But I'm not a tech guy and I'd have to rely on pics from reliable regulars to make any kind of worthwhile effort and it would probably take way more time than I envision. And at this point I'm not sure who would appreciate it anyway.

    And at this point I don't think I want to know anymore. It's getting to the point where this no surprise or discovery factor to a hike. You can literally research the entire hike, watch video of it and know pretty much everything that is going to happen without leaving your recliner. I used to appreciate knowing about river crossings, etc when I was a beginner but now that I have some experience under my belt all I really care about is having a good experience for the day after my 3-4 hour drive up. I want to be sure I have a place to park when I get there without incident and I don't want to inadvertently pick a route that is a blow down nightmare and spoils the whole day. I'm lucky to get up there 2-3 times a month so I want to get the most out of the day when I do go. Beyond that I don't think I want the details anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DayTrip View Post
    NETC didn't have many reports either from the larger peaks, 4k's, etc. The horrible weather, especially on weekends, I think was the main culprit in the lack of info.
    When I think the weather is going to cause more problems & concerns to hike a 4K up north, I usually do something a little lesser & closer to home. They can also be posted on the trail conditions reports.

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