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    They do need either more parking or additional access. The lots have not been improved since when? The list of other hikes isn't close to the same type of hike you get in that area. The 9N trip to Rocky Peak and Giant is classic and quite a bit more of elevation gain. The Crow lot is pretty busy already.

    I wouldn't try to get into The Garden on a Friday afternoon or a Saturday. Seems that by 10:00, everything is booked. Can we start a rumor that scenic pictures are out of style on Instagram and FB, everyone would much rather see your lunch or dinner plate at (insert restaurant name here)

    Currently I can't get my teens out early enough to beat the traffic, however, so far they don't pay the price yet. Next year, they can drop us off at the trailhead finally and they can walk the additional mile from the overflow lot....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike P. View Post
    They do need either more parking or additional access. The lots have not been improved since when?
    Most lots were designed the way they are now in the 70's as a means to control backcountry crowding, along with making it illegal to park along roads. This was later addressed in subsequent UMPs as having been ineffective. The parking bans were never enforced and it was very quickly realized that counting cars isn't an accurate means to determine backcountry usage.

    I've always been a big advocate of "if you can't get there really early, get there really late." If you're up for the challenge of sunset summits, you'll find parking is much easier to deal with once the early risers have cleared the trails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ADKen47 View Post
    ...This was later addressed in subsequent UMPs as having been ineffective. The parking bans were never enforced and it was very quickly realized that counting cars isn't an accurate means to determine backcountry usage.
    This is correct, and of course the inadequate parking is ineffective in reducing usage. All it does is create safety hazards, and headaches for the local communities.

    But here they come to try it again, even though it has been proven stupid repeatedly. Very unfortunate (and textbook) management failure. And sadly, they have their cheerleaders in the local "green" groups.

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    Got a sence of how small some of these lots are. Weather wasn't the best for a long hike but I did go up to Roaring Brook Falls. I was lucky enough to get the last spot at Giant Mountain Trail-Head. In the few minutes it took to get ready for the short hike, several cars entered and had to leave. It also looks like it's a new no parking along 73 in that area.

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    Due to a stress fracture in my son's foot, a topic for me in 2019. Do I try and get 15 and 16 year old boys up early or pick a very remote area where a 10:00 start will have parking available?
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    Mike, it does not have to be a remote area. You just have to pick an area with plenty of parking.

    There used to be only one category of "limited parking": Small lots on private land or land without nearby road shoulders. So the parking was always limited at Elk Lake and the Garden, and to some extent ADK Loj (big lot, but popular area).

    Now there is a new category: Places where there was plenty of parking, but the state has decided to destroy the parking. So far, this includes Giant (Roaring Brook) and Cascade. Plans include expanding this idiocy to Chapel Pond.

    But there's still plenty of road shoulder parking in other areas.

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    Here's where we'll get to see the serpent eating its own tail. King Andy will keep running his stupid f@cking TV ad campaigns in NY (downstate), PA, NJ, and elsewhere to get people to visit the ADK, while at the same time his own DEC/State Police have to deal with parking issues due to "overcrowding" in the High Peaks. The new slogan should be "Visit the ADK! You'll be able to see lots of pristine wilderness during all those miles of driving around looking for a place to park!" Hey, at least with parking the way it has previously been allowed, it isolated the majority of the trail damage to just a few peaks.

    Oh, and since when is parking a state issue to control and not a municipality issue anyway? Did these towns contact the governor's office and ask for help because they can't deal with issue on their own, or is this just another heavy handed NYS initiative?
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    Towns (like my Town of Keene) are the victims here. Tons of tourists are invited to visit, but the State does nothing to support it.
    >Local volunteers do trail work and SAR to the extent they can.
    >The Town and its local businesses fund the (now state mandated) handicap accessible portapotties at the trail heads (not a penny from the State for those).
    >The Town has to put up with overflow parking, and sometimes frustrated visitors parking on lawns and in driveways.
    >The Town funds the parking lot shuttle (not a penny from the State).

    This has been a problem for the towns for several years, and the State provides no help.

    The towns certainly did not request this most recent "intervention" which is making the situation sharply worse. This is a State initiative.

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    Does the Town make a profit from the shuttle?
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    No. The fees for parking at the Garden, and for the shuttle, are barely enough to keep the program running. On the bright side, Keene was able (finally) to get a more reliable bus this year. Until this year, the program was using an ancient bus that was in the shop as often as it was on the road. This program runs on a shoestring, and barely breaks even.

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