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MarkL
03-15-2006, 05:57 PM
I'd like to add some more NH 4k's to my winter collection Sunday and Monday, 3/19 & 20.
In case I ever decide to go for the Winter NE115, I'd like them to count as being done in "Winter". [Currently 60/115]
The vernal equinox is at 1:26PM on Monday, 3/20. So according to AMC rules, I would have to complete that hike by 1:26PM.
I'm not that familiar with the Whites, so please tell me the short ones. I've already done Tecumseh and Osceola, but not East O. I wouldn't want to do only one peak if it is usually done with others. I might be slightly slower than book.
Thank you.
Is anyone looking for a partner for either of these days? On Sunday, I'd be pretty open to whatever you're planning, since I've done only 7 Whites in winter.

sli74
03-15-2006, 06:21 PM
Liberty
Waumbek
Wildcat via the Polecat Ski trail
East Osceola
Pierce
Jackson

These are just a few that come to mind but I am sure there are some I am forgetting. Some of these are usually done with others but if you are slower than book time, you can still get these with an early start.

sli74

Tom Rankin
03-15-2006, 06:25 PM
If you're not committed to the Whites, you can peakpag all day Monday AND *TUESDAY* in the ADKs (or the Catskills)! :D

Although given your numbers, I suspect you may have btdt already... :D

Kevin Rooney
03-15-2006, 06:47 PM
I might be slightly slower than book.In that case, I'd focus on 3 peaks - Waumbek, Jackson or Cannon.

Artex
03-15-2006, 07:23 PM
Cannon would be my first choice, based on your criteria. You might even be able to bag both Osceolas, or at the very least East Osceola. Good luck! :D

MarkL
03-15-2006, 07:44 PM
You're right. I live pretty close to the 'dacks, so I did them first. Then I ventured farther (VT) and farther still (Cats). Now it's getting to be a long haul.



If you're not committed to the Whites, you can peakpag all day Monday AND *TUESDAY* in the ADKs (or the Catskills)! :D

Although given your numbers, I suspect you may have btdt already... :D

Kevin Rooney
03-15-2006, 08:38 PM
Mark -

Any chance we met on the top of Mansfield a few years ago (Brutus was with me)?

Kevin

MarkL
03-15-2006, 08:44 PM
Mark -

Any chance we met on the top of Mansfield a few years ago (Brutus was with me)?

Kevin

Yes! When I looked at your avatar I didn't remember your name or face, but Brutus looked very familiar.

Kevin Rooney
03-15-2006, 08:46 PM
Yes! When I looked at your avatar I didn't remember your name or face, but Brutus looked very familiar.Yup, I hear that alot! Second time today, actually. I must make quite an impression on people ...
:)

lx93
03-15-2006, 11:15 PM
Mark,

Sooner or later, you'll need to bag the peaks in Maine;

Old Speck, at less than 8 miles round trip, is very doable for Monday.

Saturday is wide open- I need 11 four-thousand footers in Maine (all of Maine's 4k'ers except the 3 in Baxter). If we started/finished at the ski area, The Horn/Saddleback is less than 8 miles.

I don't hike on Sundays.

Let me know!

-Matt

LenDawg
03-15-2006, 11:55 PM
Waumbek is a good one for this. Good luck.

HighHorse
03-16-2006, 12:07 AM
my pick would be jackson.
waumbek's a haul to get up there, so that's not the best choice if you wanna be sure of being "official."
both cannon and jackson are very accessible and pretty easy. in comparing the dominant speed/peakbagger routes, it is my opinion that jackson via webster/jackson seems a bit easier than cannon via kinsman from the NE. but then again, cannon is a shorter hike via the route mentioned, and some might consider it more interesting. i thought i had a solid opinion, but it turns out that it's melted away. in any case, i'd suggest jackson or cannon, unless you're planning on sleeping up in jefferson or better yet the great north woods. ;)

grouseking
03-16-2006, 07:33 AM
My first winter hike was Pierce thru 20-30 inches of new snow...we started quite late (10:30), took our time to the top (2 hr 45 min at 3.2miles or so) and made it to the bottom by 2:45. Except for the gusty winds up top, it was the easiest 4K I've ever done.

I've never done Jackson, but it's even shorter than Pierce so I would imagine that one is a fine choice too, and many VFTT'ers seem to be backing that up.


grouseking

TenPeaks
03-16-2006, 09:32 AM
I second Mt. Pierce. I did it in January in about 5 hours round trip. That included frequent breaks and a book time (or slower) pace. The trail was in great shape back in January. I'm not sure how it is today, so check the trail conditions.

TDawg
03-16-2006, 12:07 PM
Jackson was my first winter 4k back in January. It was real short and fairly easy (for a 4k footer). If I remember correctly it only took my 3.5 hours round trip with at least a 20 minute stop at the top. If you start by 9 you should have PLENTY of time.

Considering the great Presidential views and moderate snowshoe grades, I'd go with Jackson. If it's a sunny day you won't be disappointed.

Bob Kittredge
03-16-2006, 12:09 PM
Pierce took me three and a half hours this past Sunday. Crawford Path is packed smooth and fast. Stabilicers were the only traction aid I bothered with, and I could have done it without them, except maybe for the last tenth of a mile up Pierce.

Monroe took us under 5 hours on Saturday. The Ammo is also in good shape. Crampons highly recommended above Gem Pool. If you start from the upper Cog parking lot, it's no more than 6 and a half miles.

Umsaskis
03-16-2006, 04:57 PM
Hale is short too. The road is bare now so you can walk to the trailhead in less than an hour, then it's only 5 easy miles round trip and a quick walk back out the road.

Kevin Rooney
03-16-2006, 05:07 PM
Mark said he was a slower than average hiker. Some of the hikes being mentioned require a faster than average speed to get up and down before 1:30PM

MarkL
03-16-2006, 06:40 PM
Thanks for the suggestions and discussion. At the moment I'm favoring Cannon over Jackson. Jackson looks so doable, that I might try to tack it on to a Pierce-Eisenhower climb. I might try that on Sunday. I wouldn't want to climb Pierce as a single peak. Or I might try P, E, and Monroe on Sunday (how does that sound to those familiar with the route? Topo! says it's 12.5 miles and +4,780' r/t. My eyes are somtimes bigger than my legs.) If I do P, E, & M Sunday, maybe I will do Jackson Monday. If all goes well and I'm on Eisenhower with plenty of time, leg, and good weather, I'll decide there whether to go for Monroe or turn back and go for Jackson. Would anyone suggest climbing Monroe from Base Station for the sake of great views or other factors? If so, I could just decide now to do P. E, and J on Sunday, and Cannon on Mon. There's no need here to sacrifice grandeur for efficiency. :) Speaking of which, it looks like the High Cannon trail is the more scenic of the two ways up Cannon. Is that so?

LenDawg, I'd like to minimize driving around, so I won't do Waumbek until I'm up north doing something else in that area.

Umsaskis, at ~9 miles r/t, Hale might be pushing it for me.

Bob K., was 5 hours more or less than "book"? Monroe from the Cog may be an option for Monday.

1x83, I haven't looked at any Maine maps or trail descriptions yet, and don't have time before 3/20. Maybe next year.

Thanks for your suggestions and answers to my questions.
Mark

Steve-o
03-16-2006, 07:55 PM
If I were comming from New York, I'd hit up something in the franconia notch area, as it is closest.
Cannon would turn me off, due to the ski-area activity.
I would choose Moosilauke...Or, one of my favorites, a flume slide/liberty loop.
All peaks have Awesome views.
Then there's Lincoln & Laffayett, If the weather is fine... :)

GlennS
03-16-2006, 08:04 PM
Hi Cannon is OK but I prefer the Kinman Ridge Trail from the ski area. I'm always impressed by the views of the Franconia Ridge from atop Cannon Cliffs. I like it better than the view from the actual summit.

Just my 2 cents. I'm sure other people will have differing opinions.

Glenn

MarkL
03-24-2006, 08:08 PM
I'd hoped to get 4 peaks on the last 2 days of winter, and that's what I got.
Pierce, Eisenhower, and Jackson on the 1st day, 3/19.
On the 2nd day, 3/20, I climbed Cannon from the ski area via Kinsman Trail. I got back to the trailhead at 12:57PM, back to the car at 1:04, and was in the car at 1:12PM.
What if I'd locked my keys in the car and AAA couldn't get there to open the door until 1:27PM? Would Cannon still count for winter? AMC rules being so strict and all, maybe they don't consider the hike finished until the last step is taken: that step into the car. :D
I'm going to try to post some details in the trip report section now if I don't get sidetracked.

Bob Kittredge
03-25-2006, 05:14 PM
but did you remember to recite the 200-foot col rule on each summit? It won't count, otherwise :D

Eric Savage
03-29-2006, 06:09 PM
I'd hoped to get 4 peaks on the last 2 days of winter, and that's what I got.
Pierce, Eisenhower, and Jackson on the 1st day, 3/19.
On the 2nd day, 3/20, I climbed Cannon from the ski area via Kinsman Trail. I got back to the trailhead at 12:57PM, back to the car at 1:04, and was in the car at 1:12PM.
What if I'd locked my keys in the car and AAA couldn't get there to open the door until 1:27PM? Would Cannon still count for winter? AMC rules being so strict and all, maybe they don't consider the hike finished until the last step is taken: that step into the car. :D
I'm going to try to post some details in the trip report section now if I don't get sidetracked.
Congratulations!
As a general note to all who may be in a similar situation, if you do hike on the first/last day of winter, please make a note on the application as to your start/finish time so I know that you were aware of our "strict" rule about the solstice/equinox. Thanks.
PS Once you're at the trailhead, you're all set regardless of the state (or even presence :eek: ) of your car. We're not that strict.