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SAR-EMT40
10-20-2006, 09:48 AM
Anyone here moon the cog last weekend? Saturday (10/14) around noon?

A friend of mine was suprised to see a bunch of people running towards the train and then was suprised when they dropped their pants. :eek:

Having heard of some of the reports on this board I was wondering if anyone here was involved. :D

Keith

Quietman
10-20-2006, 09:58 AM
24 years ago, Yes! Last weekend? No. My rear's to big a target for an cog employee with a chunk of coal. I wonder what the guys in the oil powered trains are going to throw at the mooners? Watch out for slingshots! :D

trailbiscuit
10-20-2006, 10:47 AM
I saw a dog without a leash talking on cell phone moon the Cog the other day. :D :D :D

sierra
10-20-2006, 05:06 PM
Not to be a killjoy but Ive ridden the Cog with my mother and many famlies take it as well. I just dont see the point in mooning a train full of older folks and kids.

dvbl
10-20-2006, 11:16 PM
Not to be a killjoy but Ive ridden the Cog with my mother and many famlies take it as well. I just dont see the point in mooning a train full of older folks and kids.

Yeah, I'm with you on this one. Whenever I hear about a mooning incident, I'm always more embarrassed for those doing it than those on the "receiving" end. And doing it to a cog full of kids strikes me as a little Michael Jackson-ish. A definite "10" on the cringe factor scale.

forestgnome
10-21-2006, 05:50 AM
Agreed with Sierra and dvbl; childish and thoughtless. We are all ambassadors of the group called "hikers".

Rick
10-21-2006, 01:43 PM
I always thought it was nonsense, but this has been a long running thread on Whiteblaze - At least for 2 years now - And a lot in the WB hiking community seem to enjoy Mooning the Cog (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1067&highlight=mooning)

Artex
10-21-2006, 07:03 PM
A simple solution would be to hike up the moutain instead.

(ducks)


:D

dvbl
10-21-2006, 10:45 PM
A simple solution would be to hike up the moutain instead.

(ducks)

:D

Simple solution indeed...let 'em hike up the mountain. And as some of the brain surgeons over on White Blaze pointed out, the cog riders are just "fat, lazy tourists" anyway. Let 'em get mooned.

The thing is...it's not that simple. Not all the cog riders are "fat, lazy tourists", which by the way is a vile and disgusting slur against people who are on a hard-earned vacation trying to have a nice time with their family and friends. Maybe one of those cog riders is man who used to hike these hills but no longer can because one of his legs is buried in a rice paddy in Vietnam. And maybe he's riding the cog with his 8-year-old grand-daughter, showing her all the mountains he used to climb before he went off to war. And then they see it, and he has to spend the next hour explaining to an 8-year-old why four grown men dropped their pants in front of a train full of strangers.

Life throws some curve balls. Not everyone is able to run marathons and long distance trail runs, and then become overly impressed with themselves, and post their times and distances on the web for everyone to see. Some people, because of unfortunate circumstances, have been reduced to the squalor of having to ride the cog with the fat, lazy tourists.

Peakbagr
10-21-2006, 10:57 PM
Lets see how long this one goes.

grouseking
10-21-2006, 11:03 PM
Once in a blue moon, I'll do it! :)

In all seriousness, I have done it once, and won't do it again. I kind of felt bad. But its not the tourists that I mooned, it was the lovely black carcinogen air that I had to breathe in even before the cog arrived. I mooned the idea of a mountain trying to lead the way in important scientific discovery with global warming also manufactures some pretty serious CO2 from the cog all at the same time. Kind of a double standard. But that's not the tourists fault, and thats why I felt bad. Maybe I should moon whoever makes the decision to keep the cog in business next time? :rolleyes:

SAR-EMT40
10-22-2006, 02:35 AM
Lets see how long this one goes.


Yeah. I thought I asked a simple question. Instead I get a morality lecture. :rolleyes:

Aparently no one in the forum did it. That was all I was really trying to find out.

Keith

Artex
10-22-2006, 05:48 AM
And I was just joking. Sorry if I offended anyone. :p

giggy
10-22-2006, 06:51 AM
Nobody here would admit it if they did :eek: esp now

I would be willing to bet 95% of the people on the cog get a laugh at this tradition that has been going on forever. :)

Those 5% - well they just don't have sense of humor.............

I doubt anyone is going to be emotionally wounded from seeing a bare bum. ;) ;)

It just some goofing around - nothing more nothing less....

artex - last time we chatted, you didn't seem overly impressed with yourself. :p :p :p

CaptCaper
10-22-2006, 08:20 AM
Nobody here would admit it if they did :eek: esp now

I would be willing to bet 95% of the people on the cog get a laugh at this tradition that has been going on forever. :)

Those 5% - well they just don't have sense of humor.............

I doubt anyone is going to be emotionally wounded from seeing a bare bum. ;) ;)

It just some goofing around - nothing more nothing less....

artex - last time we chatted, you didn't seem overly impressed with yourself. :p :p :p

No 95% don't laugh. I worked as a certified Brakeman for a summer there. Some comment and laugh some miss it but they don't go crazy for it.

Before I worked there I thought the hikers that moon were childish and still do. Some of these guys grow up to become leaders,town fathers,etc. They never grow up as well. :eek:

I think the hiking oommunity should show the Cog some respect and it would be good to offer them some kind of plaque etc. as they have helped many hikers in all kinds of ways ,stranded ill prepared,tired,injured hikers with little thanks. Just lot's of bad rap about the train.

Remember the train only burns fuel up the mountain not down. :D

giggy
10-22-2006, 08:39 AM
thanks for that info caper - I am glad I didn't take the bet :eek:
(still think mooning the cog is kind of funny though)

Artex
10-22-2006, 09:00 AM
Thanks for the civil, well-informed post, CaptCaper. I still think mooning the cog is pretty funny, but you make a good point.

-Jamie

yardsale
10-22-2006, 09:55 AM
Hopefully mooning is a political statment on the environmental effects of coal burning rather than sillyness which may offend some train riders. Someone mentioned oil powered engines up there. Is that true? Are they cleaner?

jn316
10-22-2006, 10:15 AM
A while ago an enviro-type told me that probably hikers driving their cars to the trailhead cause more pollution than the cog. ...

The Cog and the Road have been there a lot longer than the hikers.
Back in the 1860s and maybe today, more people think it makes more sense to ride up than hike up. We hikers are probably a small minority....and need to be reminded of that once in a while..
but maybe we like it that way..
And some of us ardent hikers got our first view of the mts from the cog.

1ADAM12
10-22-2006, 12:13 PM
I did it i am sorry :D

Pamola
10-22-2006, 12:21 PM
And some of us ardent hikers got our first view of the mts from the cog.

And some of us got our first view of the cog from a hundred miles away.
Worked/lived around sebago lake growing up. On a nice day, you could see Mount Washington. Unfortunately on those days the view was marred by a black plume rising off the peak. It's the same in vermont now too.

And most things that folks did in the 1800's on or around mountains wouldn't be considered responsible environmental practices now. I can dig up an old term paper with stats on the sulfites the cog spews. Because the cog and the road have seniority to hikers is not good reasoning to tolerate them.

As for mooning, yes it's a little childish. No, I don't think it will scar anyone more than most of the stuff on TV. What's more harmful a tradition: The mooning or the cog?

-never mooned, wouldn't rule out doing so.

Neil
10-22-2006, 12:28 PM
I saw a hiker moon the cog...

from the summit of Jefferson.

giggy
10-22-2006, 12:54 PM
What's more harmful a tradition: The mooning or the cog?



in the scheme of things - neither are realy harmful...

I might moon the hikers from the cog - but then I am a hiker? or cog'er? :p :eek: :p :eek:

Neil
10-22-2006, 01:10 PM
Now that would be funny! Fill the Cog with VFTTers and have them all moon the hikers. I think that would traumatise me.

Double Bow
10-22-2006, 02:27 PM
The Cog and the Road have been there a lot longer than the hikers.

Last I checked, Darby Field didn't take either the auto road or the cog... :rolleyes:

People were hiking up loooong before the auto road was built! In fact, there was a summit house built there in 1852, though there was still no carriage road or cog. How did the guests get up there? You guessed it. They hiked.

For the record, the carriage road was completed 9 years later and the Cog, 17 years later. That means that the hikers were the only guests up there for the first 9 years of the hotel's opperation and that enough people were hiking up back then for it to make good business sense to operate a hotel that only hikers could get to.

CaptCaper
10-22-2006, 03:09 PM
Hopefully mooning is a political statment on the environmental effects of coal burning rather than sillyness which may offend some train riders. Someone mentioned oil powered engines up there. Is that true? Are they cleaner?

They have tried burning oil in the past with no success. They have been working on a new breed of diesel and are having problems with it. Last I heard it did some damage to the system. Back to the drawing board.
They hired a custom steam builder from New Zealand Cog railway. You might have seen his beautiful pic's of the mountains around. Neigel,I belilve the spelling goes.

Well the fact is they are sensitive to situations with the hikers because of the stuff that get's tossed at them but when the hikers want something there tune changes. Typical I guess of some people's nature.

The Cog has been used for years as a rescue platform for people on the mountain on a large scale as well as one on one. And lot's of the guys are very much into hiking and loving the area wildlife,flowers,etc.

Next time a mooner should think about what I say and instead of giving them a moon and complaining about whatever they should give them a "High Five" "Thumbs Up".. That would seperate the men from the boys. :D Narrow minded people from the thinking class. Although the Cog'ers have fun throwing coal.

We all pollute one way or the other. So I can't see getting down hard on the Cog which runs only in the late spring into mid autumn at best and employs lot's of locals and has for years. Most up here has worked there at some point it seems. :)

Guess I'm still a Cog'er at heart..

DougPaul
10-22-2006, 03:18 PM
People were hiking up loooong before the auto road was built! In fact, there was a summit house built there in 1852, though there was still no carriage road or cog. How did the guests get up there? You guessed it. They hiked.
A number rode--horses. IIRC, Crawford Path was (originally?) a horse path. There also used to be a corral a bit below the summit.

Doug

CaptCaper
10-22-2006, 03:22 PM
A number rode--horses. IIRC, Crawford Path was (originally?) a horse path. There also used to be a corral a bit below the summit.

Doug

Ethan Crawfords own words from AMC's site "We thought it best to cut a path through the woods; accordingly my father and I made a footpath from the Notch out through the woods and it was advertised in the newspapers and we soon began to have a few visitors."

adamiata
10-22-2006, 08:59 PM
I did it i am sorry :D

No, I did it.

I am Spartacus!

Mac
10-23-2006, 10:16 AM
What about natural gas? It's much cleaner than diesel and, because it's compressed, does not have the gravitational issues of performing on a steep grade. I realize that there's no gas pipeline to the cog base area, but I believe that it can be transported by truck and stored for use.

Kevin Rooney
10-23-2006, 10:36 AM
People were hiking up loooong before the auto road was built! In fact, there was a summit house built there in 1852, though there was still no carriage road or cog. In the interests of accuracy, humans were living in the White Mountains for thousands of years before Europeans arrived on the scene. They were know as Abnakis, Pennacooks, among others, who traveled and traded along the waterways.

Just to keep things in perspective -

Chip
10-23-2006, 11:10 AM
Ethan Crawfords own words from AMC's site "We thought it best to cut a path through the woods; accordingly my father and I made a footpath from the Notch out through the woods and it was advertised in the newspapers and we soon began to have a few visitors."
I always thought it was a horse-path also, like Bridle for Lafayette. Here's some more info on the history of the Crawford from the AMC site: (http://www.outdoors.org/publications/outdoors/2000/2000-crawford-horses.cfm) :
"But horseback ascents were the rage for at least 60 years in the 19th century. Hiking wasn't as popular in those early days of Mount Washington exploration, Howe explains. "It wasn't the way to go up the mountain. They left it (hiking) to the demented energetic or scientist types."

cbcbd
10-23-2006, 11:26 AM
I've never heard of this cog mooning tradition, but it sounds similar to the car mooning tradition.
I understand the history of the cog and how its a neat Mt Washington landmark, but saying that it's good for folks that can't hike anymore doesn't impress me - there is still an auto road with a shuttle that serves the same service, although in a less nostalgic and romantic way.


But on a serious note:
I regurarly moon cog trains, Hummers, smokers, and hippies.

giggy
10-23-2006, 11:47 AM
To be honest - not entirely sure how the mooning = bad cog.

I am for the mooning :cool: and for the cog :cool: ..... I honestly just think its funny.

I would be curious if the same folks that blast the cog - have ever parked there to hike.

drop ya draws and "flarshe your arse" with a smile:D

Though I have actually never mooned it meself!

DougPaul
10-23-2006, 12:22 PM
I always thought it was a horse-path also, like Bridle for Lafayette. Here's some more info on the history of the Crawford from the AMC site: (http://www.outdoors.org/publications/outdoors/2000/2000-crawford-horses.cfm) :
"But horseback ascents were the rage for at least 60 years in the 19th century. Hiking wasn't as popular in those early days of Mount Washington exploration, Howe explains. "It wasn't the way to go up the mountain. They left it (hiking) to the demented energetic or scientist types."
According the the WMG (26th ed), "In 1840, Thomas J. Crawford, a younger son of Abel, converted the footpath into a bridle path,..."

Also, "The Davis Path, completed by Nathaniel P. T. Davis in 1845, was the third (and longest) bridle path constructed to the summit of Mt. Washington." (Same source.)

This, of course, brings up the question of which was the remaining bridle path. Didn't see anything in a quick scan of the WMG. (There is a mention of the Stillings Path (to haul building materials from Randolph to Mt Washington), but that was cut about 1852.) (More info on Stillings Path:http://www.randolphmountainclub.org/aboutthermc/historyoftheclub.html)

Doug

edit: A few minutes with a search engine and: "In 1850, the railroad had paid for rebuilding the road from Gorham into Pinkham Notch. Further, the railroad financed the construction of the Glen Bridle Path to the summit of Mount Washington". From http://www.mountwashingtonautoroad.com/index.php?module=StaticContent&func=display&scid=19

and

From: http://www.drive.subaru.com/Fall05_Feature.htm
"1853 Tip Top House hotel, which stands today, built; and Glen Bridle Path opened to the summit"

RGF1
10-23-2006, 12:26 PM
Agreed with Sierra and dvbl; childish and thoughtless. We are all ambassadors of the group called "hikers".
I am with you guys on this one
Mooning anything is behavior I expect out of a 12 year old not grown adults .
On another note If you do not live in that area and go ther fo recrearion ect you are a tourist in other words if you come form Mass to the Whites you are a toursit .We all are when we travel for fun .
Both the Cog and auto road have probably saved more than one hikers butt by getting them down in miserable weather .

I would also agree mooning is not traumatic but it could offend some one who contacts the authorities and has instant digital recording rof you ? Hmm I have no idea what would happen but I am sure it will not go over well . I for one do not want that type of attention drawn to hikers .
hint it is not `1966 but 2006 times have changed and it is time to end this childish "tradtion"




If I lost the ablitiy to hike and wanted to take some sort of moterized transportaion up a mountain The last thing I want to see is your sweaty hairy butts .
Think about , it and imgine yourself disabled and not capable of getting to the top off a mountiain . I do all the timeI i am very close to being therE again and I know it can happen it did for a while . Would you want spome one basicaly tellIng you to Kiss thier butts and deriding you as a fat lazy turon ?
I never heard of hikers mooning the train up Pikes peak and if they did I have a feeling it would not be well recived . :eek: i think Sierra would agree .
FWIW The Cog railway owns 100 yards on either side of the tracks . Just something ot think about . if they get enough complaints Who knows ?
I do sense a bit of elitism in some posts too . The mountains or any publicly owned natural area belong to all of us not just one gruop . How many of you ski and pay your 60 bucks or so for a lift ticket ?


On a whole differnt note it is hard to imagine the paths mentioned as horse trails never mind a carriage road .

Puck
10-23-2006, 12:55 PM
This past summer we got close enough to the Cog..but fare enough from the steam. I noticed that there were a lot of cameras and camcorders pointed at us. We waved, many on board waved back. It is funny to think that we are the strangers on somebody's digital camera. The people taking the pictures could be the ones at the next table at the Woodstock Inn. Just think of the six degrees of separation. Do you want to be in the ER and hear the proctologist say ..."Hey...Wait a minute, there's something very familiar back here. I keep thinking of my vacation to NH two summers ago."

sapblatt
10-23-2006, 12:58 PM
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I would also agree mooning is not traumatic but it could offend some one who contacts the authorities and has instant digital recording rof you ? Hmm I have no idea what would happen but I am sure it will not go over well . "



Can the authorities identify you by a digital image of your a**? :eek: Man - I knew about the Patriot Act, but that is amazing! :D

On a more serious note - getting caught by the authorities for something as stupid as relieving yourself in public, depending upon how ticked off the officer was with you, and what they charge you with can land you on the sex offender registry.

cbcbd
10-23-2006, 01:27 PM
On a more serious note - getting caught by the authorities for something as stupid as relieving yourself in public, depending upon how ticked off the officer was with you, and what they charge you with can land you on the sex offender registry.
This reminds me of the tradition of the naked guy skiing in Tux in the spring. I know for a fact that last year's "naked guy" got a ticket from the rangers patrolling Tux - I believe he has the ticket framed now.

jjmcgo
10-23-2006, 01:29 PM
Indecent exposure is a crime and if you are convicted, you will be signing up for the sex registry in your hometown for the rest of your life.
Which is what I feel would be justified if someone did that to my 82-year-old mom when she chooses to ride the Cog because she is too old and arthritic to hike the mountain.
I think the state police and cog railroad should join together for a sting next year, name the offenders and publicize that they'll continue to do it.
I'd like to see this website become the anti-mooning site because it has a history of advocating only lawful behavior.

RoySwkr
10-23-2006, 01:33 PM
In the interests of accuracy, humans were living in the White Mountains for thousands of years before Europeans arrived on the scene. They were know as Abnakis, Pennacooks, among others, who traveled and traded along the waterways.
The Watermans did extensive research and could find no indication that the Native Americans had ever climbed Agiochook - no legends or artifacts unlike arguably more difficult peaks in other regions that were climbed by natives. They thought Darby Field could have been the first - note that the "guides" he hired mostly refused to go all the way to the top.

giggy
10-23-2006, 01:54 PM
is mooning "indecent exposure"? I am not sure it is. Big difference in showing the frontside rather than backside I did hear about the guy that got fined for the naked ski for showing the front part - women do it topless and don't get fined as far as I know. so - what is decent vs indecent? matter of opinion really.

They show dupa's (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dupa) on primetime tv these days.....

remember the 80's saying - "chuck the moon" :eek: :D :) :eek: :D

RGF1
10-23-2006, 01:56 PM
Can the authorities identify you by a digital image of your a**? :eek: Man - I knew about the Patriot Act, but that is amazing! :D

On a more serious note - getting caught by the authorities for something as stupid as relieving yourself in public, depending upon how ticked off the officer was with you, and what they charge you with can land you on the sex offender registry.


Mike most lileky they would have recored whst they thought was hikers and thenv opps !
yeah exposing your self in public is a dumb idea maybe it was ok in the 60's but not any more . I havea feeling the naked skier also has to sign up as sex offender. he did get graged by the statre to my understanding .

Hey it is onething to find some secluded palce andskinny dip another to expsoe your self ion a very public area . i am with jjmcgo

IfI took my young nieceand nephews up ther and some one moooned us yeash i would talk to the law enforment folks at the summit yes they are ther remember it is a statepark and if I got your phots yes i would let them have them . and let you get caught .
exposing yopurself to children is now a serious crime yopu are automatically a level2 sex offender I would hate to explain to cops why you are and every time you get pulled over it coems up and gives them a exuce to findprbable cuase to go through your stuff .
Just that times have changed . and we should ct like adults not 12 year olds .

ido not want ot have every himer now suspected of that BS . it makes us all look bad . and Trust me a paper liek the Union leared and NH's Chanel 9 that will run big time so think before you drop trousers on MT W

Giggy the indecent part comes in becusae of the fact that therare peoplpewho do not wish to see you exposed and it isalso theiu intent . if you intend to shock and offend as ids mooning that is indenct . If some one choose to watchysomething on TV that is private . therfore a big differnce .
Also if children are presnet asny exposier is indecent ! andas i mentioned yopuare a automaticlevle 2 sex offender that carries time . So jumping in ot a stream that no one lse sees is one thing . deliberatly doing something that is intened to offend is indencent .
I looked this up in Westlaw
anyes In MNH you can do time mike is right ifa cops catchs ypou relivceing yourself road side that is indecent exposure and will probably have him suspect yopu have been drinking . :eek:
!

Double Bow
10-23-2006, 02:16 PM
I'm not quite sure why a woman can wear a thong at a public beach and it's a-OK but a guy mooned the cog would wind up on the sex offender registry. Is the difference the amount of hair back there???? Seriously, what's the difference?

While I don't think that mooning the cog is the most mature thing that people can do, I don't think that seeing someone do it would be an emotionally scaring event or a crime. The Cog it a pollution spewing mess which runs year-round. Those who are disabled can enjoy the mountain views by taking a shuttle up the road. There is no need for that train.

Here's another question. Public urination is a crime, so isn't peeing in the WMNF a crime? It's public. You're urinating. Who's gotten a ticket for that?

giggy
10-23-2006, 02:26 PM
thanks all - well I know at least I learned something - for all you moon'ers out there- wear balaclava's or risk the wrath of the camera................

:D :D :D :D :) :p :) :p