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mink319
04-07-2004, 09:06 PM
Today down here in southeastern NY the black flies came out. While taking a short hike near my house, I noticed them. They are never really that bad here, but they are still annoying. Its just part of spring, yet it reminded me that up north they will be coming out in a few weeks, and there they are bad.

snowshoe
04-08-2004, 06:00 AM
Are you sure they are black flies? I always thought they were more at the higher elevations of the Catskills. Not the lower elevations.

Grumpy
04-08-2004, 06:39 AM
One of the better quickie informational summaries regarding black flies that I've found on the internet is at this link (http://www.ent.msu.edu/Extension/WBY/bugging%20you%20articles/Blackfly.htm).

G.

mink319
04-08-2004, 09:18 AM
Snowshoe, this wasnt in the Catskills. This was in Putnam County. There arent that many black flies here, but they still can be annoying sometimes.

mommabear
04-09-2004, 01:09 AM
Mink,
Thanks for the update. Hope we get regular updates on the blackflies as the warmer seasons approach.

Grumpy,
I clicked on your link and now I'm scratching my head and neck just at the thought and trying to remember what I did with the netting headpiece I bought last year. :eek:

Grumpy
04-09-2004, 07:14 AM
Originally posted by mommabear
Grumpy,
I clicked on your link and now I'm scratching my head and neck just at the thought and trying to remember what I did with the netting headpiece I bought last year. :eek:
Gee, I didn't intend to cause any trouble or discomfort. Hope you find the netting and have a bearable bug season.

G.:p

stoopid
04-09-2004, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by Grumpy
One of the better quickie informational summaries regarding black flies that I've found on the internet is at this link (http://www.ent.msu.edu/Extension/WBY/bugging%20you%20articles/Blackfly.htm).

G.

Thanks for the link, it was 'to the point' and gave me all I'd ever want to know about the little critters :)

Remix
04-13-2004, 09:03 PM
Id thought a just toss this in.

Bear Mtn...Connecticut...sitting quite still on rocks, winds calm,
applied 20% deet to my cheeks, brow, the underside of my fishermans cap and the back of my neck, which was covered by a shroud attached to cap.

The swarm stayed around my head but the first black fly landed on face within 12 minutes of application of the deet

Anybody got comparable data? (o yah, it was May of last year)

snowshoe
04-14-2004, 06:18 AM
I have found Deet or any bug sprays are a wast of money, at least for me. I have heard that it all depends on the individual. Some people atract the bugs or flies more than others. Probably has something to with body chemistry or something like that.

sp1936
04-14-2004, 08:19 AM
Does this (http://www.hammacher.com/publish/70833.asp?promo=homepage) fall under the classification of "too good to be true?"

:confused: :)

Steve

lumberzac
04-14-2004, 08:31 AM
Black flies, I've found if I pick up the pace a little they can't keep up. Deer flies are a different story.

Jim lombard
04-14-2004, 09:53 AM
When I was on top of Pack Monadnock last June somebody told me that blackflies will always go for the highest point on your body. He demonstrated by holding his hand above his head and the bugs went for it. Has anybody every heard of this?

Grumpy
04-14-2004, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by Jim lombard
When I was on top of Pack Monadnock last June somebody told me that blackflies will always go for the highest point on your body. He demonstrated by holding his hand above his head and the bugs went for it. Has anybody every heard of this?
Hey! The blackfly as a form of lightening . . .. Interesting concept.

G.

David Metsky
04-14-2004, 10:55 AM
Yes, blackflies will usually go to the highest point. Which is why on trailcrew we coated our hardhats with chainsaw bar oil and by the end of each day they hardhats were covered with a writhing mess. Didn't stop you from getting bitten, we used DEET for that, but it was rewarding.

There's an old maxim "After controlling for temperature, pressure, sunlight, and food, organisms will do whatever they damn well please." Some will always find exposed flesh and feast on you. There is no single, complete, and foolproof method of dealing with black flies or mosquitoes. Some are always gonna get you if hang around outside long enough.

-dave-

DeadFred
04-14-2004, 12:39 PM
The only solution I'm aware of that actually WORKS is a bug shirt. And even then the little devils can occasionally find their way inside. Oh, and try to eat or drink without them finding the opening! Mmmmm, black fly condiments on my PB & J.

Willie
04-14-2004, 02:53 PM
Years ago when I was logging in the ADKs, I was taught the following: During break-time, lay down on your back with your knees bent; place one foot on the other knee so one foot is high in the air; take something bright-colored (e.g. hard hat, bandana) and place it on the foot that is high in the air; and watch the black flies swarm around your foot - not your head.

It works.

Tahawus
04-15-2004, 02:00 PM
That's about what I learned back in high school during the 70's. I went to school in long Lake and it seemed nowhere could be as badd. any relief was welcome. a feather in your cap or a tough piece of twig helps too. I would estimate it distracts about half of the critters. When the deerflys are bad you have to wear a hat or a bandanna. That takes care of most of the problem.

Jim lombard
04-15-2004, 02:44 PM
"Black fly attacks on people, cattle, horses and pigs tend to be concentrated around the ears and head. The intense annoyance can cause animals to become greatly agitated and exhaust themselves in attempts to escape."

I've seen moose fly headlong into a pond with a swarm following close-by. Nasty little bugs!

robrox
04-15-2004, 03:46 PM
howdy: I have a theory that Black Flies have a secret weapon. Could it be an enzyme in their saliva that creates memory loss? I mention this because I see an awful lot of hikers in the woods in June...peak season for NE blackflies.

Now what was I saying....????

Charlie
04-15-2004, 03:50 PM
I wonder if they are like mosquitos which are partially attracted by the carbon dioxide coming from your breath (that's what I heard anyways). I also have heard that eating lots of garlic will help to keep them at bay. (this also keeps crowds away) :D

All I know is that I don't hike in the summer because of them.

robrox
04-15-2004, 04:00 PM
cigars work better, but that makes for a lot of solo hiking....:(

newcomb family
04-15-2004, 10:08 PM
well, as of today, there are no black flys in the sky of Newcomb.
I would wager to say that at the end of next week, after all the warm weather, we will be inundated

John H Swanson
04-16-2004, 05:56 AM
I too have had some success out running the blackflies. Typically I find that you have to go about 2.5 mph to stay in front of them. Of course the real challenge is keeping the pace up on the uphill. I remember one particular failure going up the herdpath on Seward. I think I got hundreds of bites.

One other trick is to use vaporub. It's a less chemically harse than DEET. If you don't mind putting it around your eyes and ears, it can help keep them off.

Then of couse there skin so soft. For me it works for about 20 mins when I'm not hiking. If I use it hiking its worthless. But putting it on when I stop gives me 20 min. Time enough to eat lunch without DEET on my hands

I need to try the foot in the air resting position.

MonadnockVol
04-16-2004, 06:37 AM
Years ago, I visited Storm King Art Center in NY State. This is a large outdoor sculpture park. It was blackfly season and I noticed that all the docents were holding umbrellas. The blackflies swarmed the umbrellas but left the people alone. I'm thinking of trying this out this season.

JJwilliams
04-19-2004, 09:09 PM
I got one today. we stopped to fish and a big fat black fly landed right on my arm. he did not bite me, but I felt he was offensive enough to whack anyway.

had a small mini cloud of them around me til afternoon when the wind started really wailing.

lumberzac
04-19-2004, 09:51 PM
Got attacked by a swarm of the little bastards this evening outside my door just south of the Adirondack blue line.

Jim lombard
04-20-2004, 08:46 AM
They're out in Southern New Hampshire. I spent all day outdoors on Saturday though and didn't get bit once though. :)

KenC
04-20-2004, 09:02 AM
We were doing Osseo to Flume 4/18 and there were some out up to about 2,500ft. They were not hungry though!!

stoopid
04-20-2004, 04:25 PM
Saw a few in the southern ADKs over the weekend. With steady warmth this week they should be in full swing VERY soon :eek:

LauraM
04-20-2004, 05:32 PM
Check this out:

www.buzzoff.us

All natural, no DEET, made here in Maine where the black flies are harsh. People swear by it here.

Laura

iceNsnow
04-21-2004, 07:29 AM
Hey LauraM! That stuff is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$45.00 !


Looks like I'll just be using the 2.5 mph pace recommended in John's post......:D

LauraM
04-21-2004, 07:52 AM
Oh yeah, I forgot about the $$$$$$$$$ part. Prices have gone up, was cheaper last year. It is a small, cottage industry here in Maine, high quality stuff -- a bottle lasts a long time, too. No poisoning yourself with DEET, too.


The 2.5 MPH option is always a good one....

Laura

robrox
04-21-2004, 07:55 AM
That $45 price was for the Equine blend, the stuff we'd use is $9.95 for 4oz. DEET for me...Ben's 100% please!