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Raymond
10-06-2004, 05:25 AM
The last Forty-Sixer newsletter said that they were going to institute some new rules or regulations or requirements or something regarding reports from prospective Forty-Sixers. I forget exactly how it was phrased, I'm afraid, but the gist was that they were getting swamped and needed to simplify or standardize the procedure. Or style.

Anyway, they were going to issue something about it this month. Can anyone (Alpine Summit, p'rhaps? He's a correspondent.) tell us what the new style for reports is? Susan's got one to put together, and I know there are lots of others out there with the same task. She doesn't have a correspondent to ask, but she can't be the only one who never bothered to write in before finishing the climbs, so maybe the rules could be listed here. I don't see anything on the official Web site.

mavs00
10-06-2004, 06:07 AM
I was at the fall meeting (46ers) on Saturday (10/2), and nothing about a change was mentioned. Tony Solomon, the one who probably would have said something, did get up and speak for a bit about membership and other topics , but nothing about a change. Not saying there won't be one, just that nothing was said.

Also, I just finished the process in the last couple weeks, and I don't think I did anything new. It was just as it was advertised on the site. BTW, word to the wise, DO NOT wait until you finish to write in (like I did :( ), particulary with a deadline looming. I felt a little rushed reflecting on my peaks.

One thing I will share that was mentioned. STOP FLAGGING IN THE BACKCOUNTRY, please :)

maineguy
10-06-2004, 06:52 AM
Anyone know why they don't allow e-mailing your summit reports? I would think that this would speed things up and make for less work.

Pete_Hickey
10-06-2004, 07:46 AM
Tony had something at the Executive meeting. They want to standardize on reporting format. Something like addressing letters to your corrispondent by name (Dear joe), rather than a 'Hey there!". Sending it in on a single (?) 8x10 paper ratherr than postcard, 30 pages, on birchbark, etc., as well as writing the number of peaks you've done in the upper right hand corner (Grace had me do that 15 years ago.

It just makes the processing faster for a group ov tmie-short volunteers.

mavs00
10-06-2004, 08:21 AM
The "change", if it's called that, described by Alpine (who is my correspondent) is the exact way I was as asked to submit my stuff (and I tried to do).

So, if it is a change, it must already be in the "phasing in" part, as it's the way I just finished doing it. Now where's my damn number (;) I'm kidding).

maineguy
10-06-2004, 09:04 AM
Maybe barcode scanners could be placed at the summits (disguised as summit signs so they would be conforming structures). Prospective 46ers would be given cards which they would swipe when reaching the summit. The scanner info could be uplinked to satellites and retrieved by the volunteers' computers which would e-mail out confirimation letters automatically. After completing 46 peaks, a 46er image would be e-mailed out with a certificate after receipt of required dues which would be automatically debited from one's bank account.

Doc McPeak
10-06-2004, 09:33 AM
In addition to Alpine's list -- which if followed would make the process much more manageable and easier for all involved -- for BONUS POINTS send TWO COPIES of your correspondence.

You will get a gold star next to your name by the office folks, for this little consideration makes their day!

Rik
10-06-2004, 09:57 AM
Would there be an express lane at the border patrol checkpoint?

stoopid
10-06-2004, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by AlpineSummit
Then if someone wrote in and said "Hey, I climbed Dial" we could retort that "Sorry pal, our records indicate that you did not! You were on the wrong summit - BOZO"

That sounds familiar (http://www.adkforum.com/showthread.php?t=820). [minus the BOZO comment ;)]

For the record, I've since reclimbed Dial (http://www.adkforum.com/showthread.php?t=1234) and even Nippletop to help someone with their 46...

stoopid
10-06-2004, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by AlpineSummit
Believe me, you are not the only one who has been fooled.
In fact, when I was writing in, MY correspondent told me a story of how he pulled an even bigger goof. Hopefully he's reading this and is willing to share a pretty funny story.

I know you didn't mean anything. As a matter of fact, I was told this was one of the most commonly missed summits because of all the false summits from Nippletop.

Bhoody
10-06-2004, 11:42 AM
In fact, when I was writing in, MY correspondent told me a story of how he pulled an even bigger goof. Hopefully he's reading this and is willing to share a pretty funny story.

Yes I did... My first time up Colden was in a November snowstorm - couldn't see 10 feet. We went up the Lake Arnold side - you know that false summit? Well, we thought that was the summit! Turned back and called it a day. Right before I finished the 46 (only had Marcy left) I headed up the East Slide on Colden - when I topped out the summit did not look at all familar - only after heading back down on the Lake Arnold trail did it dawn on me that we had only topped off on the false summit. For years we thought that we had made the summit of Colden... A lot of folks miss the summit of Upper Wolfjaw too - thinking that the first summit from the Wolf Jaws col is the summit...

MrOysterhead
10-06-2004, 12:31 PM
Alpine - I've done 25 peaks and after midsemster break (2 weeknds from now) I hope to be at 33. I reported my first two climbs when I was 8. Should I send in just a list of what I have done, or little trip reports, or what?

thanks and peace
Oysterhead

Pete_Hickey
10-06-2004, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by AlpineSummit
Short trip reports would be ideal. Better than either a list or a long and detailed account of 20'something hikes.

Short for all but one. Pick one of them ant tell WHY it was your favorite. Remember, it's a LETTER you're writing. It isn't a form you're filling out.

Tuco
10-06-2004, 02:37 PM
Planning on starting my 46 next year but hope you don't mind my 2 cents.

Based on my professional experience (administration consulting of sorts) if you want to standardize something to ease the admin. you can put a form on the website (pdf or other format) which can include the required fields, a little instruction and room for a letter. This way folks can be steered into giving you what you need.

Good luck, can't wait until next year to get up there.

Pete_Hickey
10-06-2004, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by Tuco
Based on my professional experience (administration consulting of sorts) if you want to standardize something to ease the admin. you can put a form on the website ....

But that isn't what the 46ers want. they do not want a reporting of peaks climbed. That's a FORM. They want letter writing. A personal corrispondence between you and your correspondent. Just as Grace had with the Marshals.

The 46ers are VERY traditional in this respect.

Tuco
10-06-2004, 03:18 PM
But that isn't what the 46ers want. they do not want a reporting of peaks climbed. That's a FORM. They want letter writing. A personal corrispondence between you and your correspondent.

Understood. What I was getting at is putting the standard piece of paper to write that letter on on the website. Reading Alpinesummits post I got the impression lack of standardized responses (in content and in paper used) was an administrative problem and streamlining was a goal.

I'll be writing my first letter soon, and promise to follow all the rules as stated earlier.;)

MrOysterhead
10-06-2004, 06:23 PM
Alpine and Pete - thanks for your responses. OK - now for my reall dumb question - letter writing has totaly become a lost art - I honestly don't know how to write like a formal letter (i.e. no idea where the date and stuff goes). I guess thats what happens when you're whole generation has grown up with computers....anyone?

peace and thanks
Oysterhead

Neil
10-06-2004, 06:39 PM
You start off like this:

Dear....

Pete_Hickey
10-06-2004, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by MrOysterhead
letter writing has totaly become a lost art -...... I guess thats what happens when you're whole generation has grown up with computers

Yep. Ain't that nifty? My kids started paper letter writing to Grace when they were quite young. Except for a few exceptions, those paper letters to Grace were the only letter writing they ever did.

MrOysterhead
10-06-2004, 07:56 PM
Neil, thanks for the assistance :D

Mike D.
10-06-2004, 08:01 PM
I did my first adks peaks this year and have since decided to start the 46rs w/ the 3 I did. I wrote a trip report but it ended up 4 pages long ( it all came back so vividly). Should i write in first, just send the report , or shorten it and then send it in? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanx, Mike D.

hillman1
10-06-2004, 08:36 PM
I just photocopied my trip reports out of the journal section from the back of my ADK high peaks guide. I included a letter of introduction and sent it all in. The people who received it definitely read everything, because they sent me a great letter in reply covering some of my topics. I just finished filling out the question pages they sent me, along with my climb log of who I went with and when. Anyway, they consider me a 46er now. I can't wait for the meeting to see everyone I've hiked with these past few seasons.

ALGonquin Bob
10-06-2004, 08:45 PM
I'm very much looking forward to that Spring 46-R dinner. Par-dee!!!

Mike D.
10-06-2004, 08:49 PM
I am only going to have 3 right now, so it will be sometime before I am a 46er. :(

teejay
10-07-2004, 02:49 AM
I should be done in about 26 more years. I think I should hike more and savor less.

Good points, Bruce, about our trip reports. From now on, I'll be sure to keep them short and will include an extra copy.

teejay

Silverback
10-07-2004, 08:57 AM
I learned something here today. Some of these issues (staples, two sided copies, multiple copies, etc) would have been solved if someone only had told me. I've written five years of reports and only now realize that I was more of a pain than I needed to be.

Like most, I was unaware of the process that the Office engaged in. I did not realize that correspondents did not go to a central location to work on the letters, for example, and I did not know that more than one copy would be needed.

Perhaps A 3X5 preprinted card with all the requested procedues could be sent back from the correspondent to the aspiring 46er after the first report. A small cost to save a lot of time and other costs (copying, etc.).

Doc McPeak
10-07-2004, 10:45 AM
2 copies have never been one of them, tho it's a decent enuff idea that I passed it along to the 'boss'.

The two copies is what alot of 46ers going for their winter rounds do as a courtesy for the office crew. And that's because they hike with people from the office, and correspondants and learn how much work is now involved with processing 46er correspondence and apps. There used to be a couple of hundred 46ers a decade. Now there is a couple of thousand... and growing.

It also is a club steeped in tradition and informality, so to make it full of checklists and DMV-like forms goes against the grain a bit, even if everyone agrees it would make things more efficient.

Silverback
10-07-2004, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by AlpineSummit
Actually, I send all of my climbers the rules of the road and have since day 1. Many follow, but some studiously do not.

2 copies have never been one of them, tho it's a decent enuff idea that I passed it along to the 'boss'.

No doubt you do, Alpine, but many of the other correspondents do not. I know many of us appreciate what you and the others do, and I am sure most would be happy to try and make it a little easier, at least. There will always be some that don't, not necessarily out of malice, but because they "forget".

Hopefully, if I ever finish the last four, I will have the priviledge to serve as a correspondent, as well.

Tom Rankin
10-07-2004, 09:52 PM
Having just finished and gotten a patch, I have mixed feelings on the whole process.

It is nice to be a part of tradition, to climb what others have climbed, and receive the same consideration.

But there is some tedium to not being able to use web/email.

I guess ultimately, those who do all the hard work can decide what the 46ers will become in the future.

I did get some special treatment. PJS (a former correspondent) gave Dawn and I our patches (unofficially) on the summit of Whiteface, something I will not forget!

Daniel Eagan
10-08-2004, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by Silverback
Perhaps A 3X5 preprinted card with all the requested procedues could be sent back from the correspondent to the aspiring 46er after the first report. A small cost to save a lot of time and other costs (copying, etc.).

Tony Solomon has prepared an insert that some of you will be getting that covers all of the necessary data. Mostly it's geared towards "please don't xerox a thirty-page journal" and things like that.

E-mail will never work because of archive issues. For one thing, e-mailers would be asking the 46ers to print out their reports at great time, cost, and inconvenience. Then there are computer issues, both software and hardware.

My experience is that 70% of my correspondents fail to follow the club's very loose requirements when writing. The biggest problem is not addressing reports correctly.

The 30% who do send in great reports more than make up for them.

AntlerPeak
10-10-2004, 01:10 AM
Boy reading this about reporting your climbs tells me I have been out of touch. It used to be simple climb a mountain, write to Grace. I remember sitting in Grace's storage room going through all of those questionaires ferreting out info for the 46r book. Whenever there was a question Grace could always provide the right answer without looking it up. I recall at one of the fall meetings Grace was giving her standard lecture about timely reporting. My climbing partner swayed nervously in the back of the room averting his gaze. You see his only letter was Dear Grace today I climbed my 20th high peak. At the time of this meeting he had reached number 45. Grace pointed to him and clearly enunciating his name she said "I see you ---------. He finished by climbing the Colden Dike. He wrote his letter on the summit and we handed it to Grace at her camp at the boulders on our way home. Grace said "it's about time." We miss her.

Rik
10-11-2004, 09:25 AM
Alpine,
Those kernals at the end of the cob are always the tastiest! :D