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Raven
06-26-2011, 01:27 PM
I was hiking in the area yesterday and couldn't help but notice that blue paint had been dripped for quite a distance along this trail. Every couple feet, I saw some on the treadway, on rocks, etc. It looked like blue blaze paint, so I at first thought maybe it had dripped out of a maintainer's can accidentally.

Then I saw three blue hand prints on a tree along the trail about chest high and quite a lot of paint on a downed tree across the trail.

Any ideas?

una_dogger
06-26-2011, 02:10 PM
I will send a note to Dave Berry who maintains that section...thanks!

Raven
06-26-2011, 05:20 PM
I will send a note to Dave Berry who maintains that section...thanks!

Thanks - good idea. Maybe it was Gargamel.

MichaelJ
06-26-2011, 06:11 PM
At least it wasn't the remains of a splattered Hiker Smurf!

una_dogger
06-26-2011, 06:50 PM
LOl-MJ- yeah that's a relief!
Heard from Dave and he hasn't been blazing soo...

Raven
06-26-2011, 07:51 PM
Yeah...it's easy to tell this was not the work of a blazer...someone(s) getting a hold of some blaze paint, maybe at the hut...that I would believe, if I can speculate.

It was smurf blue allright though.

BIGEarl
06-27-2011, 07:16 AM
When Sue and I hiked the area last week we came across a container of blue paint roughly half-way between North and South Twin. The color was quite a bit more blue than the blazes on the trees, which were more of a blue-gray. The "trail" blazes appeared to be fresh as well.

We assumed somebody was in the process of refreshing the blazes and happened to have an off-color container of paint. We had no idea why it was left where it was unless it was intended to mark the place where the blazing effort left off. As I recall, the fresh blazes continued from the location of the paint container to S. Twin.

It seems like some kids, or perhaps some adults that behave like kids, found the paint and decided to make a mess.

Raven
06-27-2011, 04:13 PM
As I recall, the fresh blazes continued from the location of the paint container to S. Twin.

It seems like some kids, or perhaps some adults that behave like kids, found the paint and decided to make a mess.

Thanks Earl...

It did look as though some of the blazes were recently painted on some trees that had been "cleaned" of bark in order to take the blaze paint. I checked the hand print size to see if I could get an idea. I have medium men's hands according to the glove companies anyway. The hand prints were smaller than mine, not that that helps much.

NewHampshire
06-27-2011, 04:40 PM
Thanks - good idea. Maybe it was Gargamel.

La la la la la la la la la la laaaaaaa

Sorry, couldn't resist. :D

Brian

OldMan
06-27-2011, 08:15 PM
Get your finger print kit out...

Fisher Cat
06-27-2011, 08:58 PM
Oh my gosh, I wish I hadn't seen that.

Just a little insight how this can cause problems. As we all know, there is an approach to Mt Cabot that has been closed for some time. I went to school with some of the members of the family who closed part of the trail that crossed their land. While there are several mitigating factors to this closure, one was that years ago some individuals that were blazing the legitimate trail got carried away and began blazing and painting, and doing things like you see pictured in these photographs, all over the place, trees, rocks, etc., that were well off the trail. While this is not the case here, when it comes to land ownership, what it is, is truly a shame.

I wish to adhere good to all (until proven otherwise) and assume that this is an isolated incident and the happenstance of a bit of tomfoolery. Fortunately, as most adopters know, there are methods to deal with this. Its just a shame that it will mean time spent that could have been invested elsewhere.

MichaelJ
06-27-2011, 08:59 PM
The person or persons who did this, suck, as it were.

There's not going to be any good way to get that paint off without damaging the tree. The one that's still alive, anyway. Talk about a complete lack of ethics.

OldMan
06-27-2011, 09:04 PM
And not to mention it's confusing.... I though I had wandered off to Lend-a-hand Tail.

Raven
06-27-2011, 09:44 PM
Get your finger print kit out...

Thanks for the photo!

Fisher Cat
06-27-2011, 10:12 PM
The person or persons who did this, suck, as it were.

There's not going to be any good way to get that paint off without damaging the tree. The one that's still alive, anyway. Talk about a complete lack of ethics.

It may seem ridiculous, but one of the ways we were instructed to get rid of rogue blazes was using tree paint that is similiar to the appropriate bark. It sounds dumb because to get rid of paint that shouldn't be there, is to apply more paint, but it is one method.

wardsgirl
06-28-2011, 05:51 AM
As far as I know, blazing paint is not typically stored at AMC Huts. Also, the colors are standardized so there is no variation in the shade of blue. I don't believe this paint came from the AMC, FWIW.

bikehikeskifish
06-28-2011, 06:18 AM
Are blaze colors standardized across other organizations as well (across the USFS, AMC, RMC, ...)? I can't say I have paid much attention to shades of blaze colors in my life and due to fading they will look different over time anyway.

Tim

PETCH
06-28-2011, 06:18 AM
Maybe we could introduce more bears into that area who in turn could scrape the bark/paint off of the trees. Then it could be re-blazed. Yes, we may loose a few hikers during the course of this action, but the end may justify the means. We have to think of the trees! Or, rent a portable sand-blaster and haul that up there. Or, just bring up a can of tree colored paint, I guess...........it's just doesn't sound that fun. ;) :eek:

Petch

Raven
06-28-2011, 08:00 AM
Also, the colors are standardized so there is no variation in the shade of blue. I don't believe this paint came from the AMC, FWIW.

Very true WG, although not all maintainers get their paint from the USFS or AMC before blazing. A few trails are blazed in a lovely baby blue.

From what Earl said about seeing the can on the trail side, it makes more sense that the paint was simply left on the trail for one reason or another than taken from the hut.

Petch, maybe we should go back to blazing trails by notching trees with axes.

slevasse
06-28-2011, 08:07 AM
Petch, maybe we should go back to blazing trails by notching trees with axes.

Sounds like a good idea until some juvenile bears with mischief on their minds start scraping up trees all over the place. We'd never find the trail!

RoySwkr
06-28-2011, 08:29 AM
It seems like some kids, or perhaps some adults that behave like kids, found the paint and decided to make a mess.
I would say it is more likely that these people sincerely thought the trail needed more blazes and thought they were doing the world a favor. Just because the result may be vandalism doesn't mean it was malicious. There is at least one previous note on this topic.


It may seem ridiculous, but one of the ways we were instructed to get rid of rogue blazes was using tree paint that is similiar to the appropriate bark. It sounds dumb because to get rid of paint that shouldn't be there, is to apply more paint, but it is one method.
The GMC tried that on my section of LT/AT that had been overblazed, using I think 2 colors of paint. But not all trees are the same color and it didn't match very well. Of course the rogue painters didn't do any surface prep and the fake blazes were faded in a year and pretty well gone in a couple while the overpaint being multiple layers lasted much longer. Unless they painted obscenities and you want to do a larger area to obscure the text, I would not try to paint them out on a variable natural surface.

una_dogger
06-28-2011, 09:11 AM
I doubt someone would plaster trees with " well intended" blue handprints as shown in Eds pictures...

BIGEarl
06-28-2011, 09:32 AM
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From what Earl said about seeing the can on the trail side, it makes more sense that the paint was simply left on the trail for one reason or another than taken from the hut.
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As I recall, it was a square container, roughly a one quart capacity (perhaps a little smaller), appeared to be plastic, with a screw-on cover. It wasn't a typical paint can with a "pry-off & pound-on" cover.




I doubt someone would plaster trees with " well intended" blue handprints as shown in Eds pictures...

I agree. There is no way I can imagine this to be well intended. The trail corridor is so obvious in summer, the N. Twin Spur needs no blazing at all.

:rolleyes:

Fisher Cat
06-28-2011, 02:16 PM
The GMC tried that on my section of LT/AT that had been overblazed, using I think 2 colors of paint. But not all trees are the same color and it didn't match very well. Of course the rogue painters didn't do any surface prep and the fake blazes were faded in a year and pretty well gone in a couple while the overpaint being multiple layers lasted much longer. Unless they painted obscenities and you want to do a larger area to obscure the text, I would not try to paint them out on a variable natural surface.

That is true. The trained eye may notice a subtle difference, but perhaps to the casual eye, it would be harder to perceive. It would certainly be better than the way it is now.

una_dogger
06-29-2011, 08:08 AM
Petch, maybe we should go back to blazing trails by notching trees with axes.

No longer a practice because it can introduce pests to the trees.

Creag Nan Drochaid
06-29-2011, 08:09 AM
Of late we are using two methods for obscuring unneeded blazes:
1) plane the blaze off the bark with a sharp ax.
2) get a can of RUST-OLEUM camouflage spray paint from a sporting goods or hardware store. We use shade # 1919, deep forest green, because that is what they had. A gray would be better. This paint is of an ultra flat non-reflective finish; compare with blaze paint, which is a latex gloss enamel to reflect light much better than the natural surface around the blaze. We cover an area larger than the blaze with irregular feathered edges. It doesn't look artificial at all if we can help it.
We have a few small relocations on the worklist for this season. Rest assured that when the new trail is blazed the old one gets barricaded as far as you can see from each end, and the old blazes eliminated.
Creag nan drochaid

Raven
06-29-2011, 11:21 AM
No longer a practice because it can introduce pests to the trees.

Yeah, that was a little joke. I should be better about using the "smart-A" smiley face when I say that stuff...my sarcastic tone sometimes gets lost in cyberspace... :rolleyes:

una_dogger
06-29-2011, 11:27 AM
Yeah, that was a little joke. I should be better about using the "smart-A" smiley face when I say that stuff...my sarcastic tone sometimes gets lost in cyberspace... :rolleyes:


LOL - I know how that is! :D

TrailwrightBratt
06-29-2011, 09:32 PM
I prefer a light grey enamel Latex paint feathered out as Craig mentioned. Scraping with a paint scraper helps some but not too much depending on type of tree.A wire brush as well will also help on rocks then grey paint. I also have had good results with Black spray paint and feathered out. It doesn't last as long as regular paint but long enough to do the job. Grey is better over all. ;)

erugs
06-30-2011, 09:45 AM
And not to mention it's confusing.... I though I had wandered off to Lend-a-hand Tail.

That's too funny. To Hale with them, I say.

Andrew
07-01-2011, 06:08 AM
Aubuchon Hardware sells a pump spray bottle of a product called Mostenblock, with different grafitti/paint/marker remover formulas. Sometimes surprisingly effective with a wire brush.

Says it is non-toxic biodegradable. We used to use oven cleaner for this, but highly caustic and required much rinse water. Tended to kill everything it dripped on and was often worse than the paint since moss took decades to re grow on scrubbed spots. So you had moss lined bare spots that often spelled out the original stuff.

Billy
07-01-2011, 10:03 AM
I would say it is more likely that these people sincerely thought the trail needed more blazes and thought they were doing the world a favor. Just because the result may be vandalism doesn't mean it was malicious...

Gotta admit, I'm scratching my head over this quote. Really???

Anyway... a popular lament out there these days goes something like: "...these kids don't go out and play enough, they're always on the computer blah blah blah..."
Well, the guys who did this paint job are living proof that some people ARE better off holed up in their basements in front of a computer playing video games and creating make-believe girlfriends.

una_dogger
07-01-2011, 01:10 PM
Gotta admit, I'm scratching my head over this quote. Really???

Anyway... a popular lament out there these days goes something like: "...these kids don't go out and play enough, they're always on the computer blah blah blah..."
Well, the guys who did this paint job are living proof that some people ARE better off holed up in their basements in front of a computer playing video games and creating make-believe girlfriends.

LMAO


I have a feeling Roy didn't see those pics before he posted :-)

RoySwkr
07-01-2011, 03:59 PM
I have a feeling Roy didn't see those pics before he posted :-)
That statement is correct but I'm not sure it would have changed my post.

The group that repainted the AT/LT painted blazes of random shape and size up to maybe 6" x 15" but when caught didn't seem to realize that blazes were supposed to be standard, just like the people who use spray paint for blazes because they think there should be more don't know about shape or color.

There used to be a lot more whimsical signs and blazes and I'm not sure that their loss is entirely a good thing. What is the actual damage here - a couple prints on a dead tree that can be felled and hidden and a print that with a little scraping will be faded by next year (plus some undetermined number of excess blazes)?

Sure I was annoyed by the excess blazing on the AT/LT but not as much as by the GMC decision to not replace a bridge over a brook. Similarly, who is the real vandal in the Pemi - somebody who paints a few extra blazes or someone who removes a perfectly good suspension bridge? I nearly choked when I read an article about how nice it is that the FS has accessible trails in NH.