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byron8
03-28-2014, 02:18 PM
I'm trying to map out the Pemi Loop "Death March" by segment so I can determine which direction to take. There's obviously something wrong with my clockwise version. Can anyone spot the errors? I know you're the experts on whom I can depend. Thank you and, if this has already been discussed, my apologies, but I couldn't find anything.

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Julie

bikehikeskifish
03-28-2014, 03:32 PM
http://www.vftt.org/forums/showthread.php?52368-Pemi-loop&highlight=Pemi%20loop

Some information here including a clockwise map and elevation profile screenshot from google earth.

If you want my gpx track I can send it from home over the weekend.

Tim

SherpaTom
03-30-2014, 02:13 PM
Send me your email address as I have it on a spreadsheet, using huts (3day trip) and camping (2day trip) with all elevations and book times noted.

tomcal15@verizon.net

RichS
03-30-2014, 05:15 PM
According to WMG 28th edition (I can't imagine 29th edition changed):

CLOCKWISE

location elev Δdist Σdist Δelev Σelev Σtime
Wilderness Tr @ Lincoln Woods 1160 0 0 0 0 0:00
Wilderness Tr @ Osseo Tr 1300 1.4 1.4 150 150 0:45
Franconia Ridge Tr @ Osseo Tr 4240 4.1 5.5 2900 3050 4:15
Franconia Ridge Tr @ Flume 4328 0.1 5.6 100 3150 4:25
Franconia Ridge Tr @ Liberty 4459 1.1 6.7 550 3700 5:10
Liberty Spring Tr @ Franconia Ridge Tr 4260 0.3 7 0 3700 5:20
Franconia Ridge Tr @ Falling Waters Tr 4760 1.9 8.9 700 4400 6:40
Franconia Ridge Tr @ Lincoln 5089 0.7 9.6 400 4800 7:10
Franconia Ridge Tr @ Lafayette 5260 0.9 10.5 450 5250 7:55
Garfield Ridge Tr @ Skookumchuck Tr 4680 0.8 11.3 0 5250 8:15
Garfield Ridge Tr @ high point on Garfield 4460 2.7 14 1000 6250 10:10
Garfield Ridge Tr @ Garfield Tr 4180 0.2 14.2 0 6250 10:15
Garfield Ridge Tr @ Garfield Ridge Campsite spur 3900 0.2 14.4 0 6250 10:20
Garfield Ridge Tr @ Franconia Bk Tr 3420 0.5 14.9 0 6250 10:35
Garfield Ridge Tr @ Gale River Tr 3390 1.6 16.5 300 6550 11:30
Garfield Ridge Tr @ Galehead Hut 3780 0.6 17.1 400 6950 12:00
Twinway @ S Twin 4902 0.8 17.9 1150 8100 12:60
Twinway @ Bondcliff Tr 4508 2 19.9 200 8300 14:05
Bondcliff Tr @ Guyot Campsite spur 4360 0.6 20.5 0 8300 14:25
Bondcliff Tr @ W Bond Spur 4500 0.2 20.7 150 8450 14:35
Bondcliff Tr @ Bond 4698 0.5 21.2 200 8650 14:55
Bondcliff Tr @ Bondcliff 4265 1.2 22.4 200 8850 15:35
Bondcliff Tr @ Wilderness Tr 1600 4.4 26.8 100 8950 17:55
Wilderness Tr @ Franconia Bk Tr 1440 1.8 28.6 0 8950 18:45
Wilderness Tr @ Black Pd Tr 1410 0.3 28.9 0 8950 18:55
Wilderness Tr @ Osseo Tr 1300 1.2 30.1 0 8950 19:30
Wilderness Tr @ Lincoln Woods 1160 1.4 31.5 0 8950 20:15

COUNTERCLOCKWISE

location elev Δdist Σdist Δelev Σelev Σtime
Wilderness Tr @ Lincoln Woods 1160 0 0 0 0 0:00
Wilderness Tr @ Osseo Tr 1300 1.4 1.4 150 150 0:45
Wilderness Tr @ Black Pd Tr 1410 1.2 2.6 100 250 1:25
Wilderness Tr @ Franconia Bk Tr 1440 0.3 2.9 50 300 1:35
Bondcliff Tr @ Wilderness Tr 1600 1.8 4.7 150 450 2:35
Bondcliff Tr @ Bondcliff 4265 4.4 9.1 2750 3200 6:10
Bondcliff Tr @ Bond 4698 1.2 10.3 650 3850 7:05
Bondcliff Tr @ W Bond Spur 4500 0.5 10.8 50 3900 7:20
Bondcliff Tr @ Guyot Campsite spur 4360 0.2 11 0 3900 7:25
Twinway @ Bondcliff Tr 4508 0.6 11.6 200 4100 7:50
Twinway @ S Twin 4902 2 13.6 550 4650 9:10
Garfield Ridge Tr @ Galehead Hut 3780 0.8 14.4 50 4700 9:35
Garfield Ridge Tr @ Gale River Tr 3390 0.6 15 0 4700 9:50
Garfield Ridge Tr @ Franconia Bk Tr 3420 1.6 16.6 350 5050 10:50
Garfield Ridge Tr @ Garfield Ridge Campsite spur 3900 0.5 17.1 500 5550 11:20
Garfield Ridge Tr @ Garfield Tr 4180 0.2 17.3 300 5850 11:35
Garfield Ridge Tr @ high point on Garfield 4460 0.2 17.5 250 6100 11:50
Garfield Ridge Tr @ Skookumchuck Tr 4680 2.7 20.2 1200 7300 13:45
Franconia Ridge Tr @ Lafayette 5260 0.8 21 600 7900 14:25
Franconia Ridge Tr @ Lincoln 5089 0.9 21.9 300 8200 15:05
Franconia Ridge Tr @ Falling Waters Tr 4760 0.7 22.6 50 8250 15:25
Liberty Spring Tr @ Franconia Ridge Tr 4260 1.9 24.5 200 8450 16:30
Franconia Ridge Tr @ Liberty 4459 0.3 24.8 200 8650 16:45
Franconia Ridge Tr @ Flume 4328 1.1 25.9 450 9100 17:30
Franconia Ridge Tr @ Osseo Tr 4240 0.1 26 0 9100 17:35
Wilderness Tr @ Osseo Tr 1300 4.1 30.1 0 9100 19:35
Wilderness Tr @ Lincoln Woods 1160 1.4 31.5 0 9100 20:20

byron8
03-31-2014, 03:39 PM
Thanks, Sherpa Tom. That would be great.

perron8@yahoo.com

julie

byron8
03-31-2014, 03:40 PM
Thanks Rich. This is very detailed. It looks like clockwise would be best simply because the biggest gains are before the halfway point, and I've been on Bondcliff Trail heading south and it's a snap.

David Metsky
03-31-2014, 04:50 PM
Thanks Rich. This is very detailed. It looks like clockwise would be best simply because the biggest gains are before the halfway point, and I've been on Bondcliff Trail heading south and it's a snap.

Running down Osceo is really nice at the end of the day - and I really liked the 5 mile run on the Wilderness trail to start it. I wouldn't want to run out the full length of the Wilderness Trail at the end of the day - I hate that.

The elevation profile isn't everything. :)

bikehikeskifish
03-31-2014, 05:51 PM
Climbing up South Twin was the least fun part of the clockwise loop for me. I would suggest taking a break on South Twin rather than at the hut, tempting as it may be.

Tim

DayTrip
03-31-2014, 06:54 PM
This is a bit off topic but I have a question on the Inner Pemi Loop (the "lollipop" I think is what everyone appears to be referring to it as - Lincoln Woods Trail, Lincoln Brook Trail and Franconia Brook Trail): what is the name of the bushwhack/herd path that by passes the difficult crossings on the Lincoln Brook Trail and is it easily followed in summer (i.e. like the North Twin herd path that skips the first two crossings)? I seem to remember some older posts about this but I forget the names and I forget if it was for summer or winter. It also sounded like there was more than one option.

I am also planning a Pemi Loop hike this summer and would like to pre-hike the areas in the valley should I decide to bail off the ridge and take a shorter route out. I have not been beyond the Owl Head junction on Lincoln Brook Trail or beyond the Lincoln Brook Trail junction before and from what I was told in another thread these areas have improved but are still a little confusing. I'd imagine if it was dark or poor weather it could be an issue as well.

If anyone has any info on the area I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

DougPaul
03-31-2014, 07:49 PM
This is a bit off topic but I have a question on the Inner Pemi Loop (the "lollipop" I think is what everyone appears to be referring to it as - Lincoln Woods Trail, Lincoln Brook Trail and Franconia Brook Trail):
We have been referring to LW, East Side Rd, Cedar Brook Tr, Wilderness Tr, Thoreau Falls Tr, Ethan Pond Tr, Shoal Pond Tr., Wilderness Tr, Cedar Brook Tr, and East Side Rd to LW route as the Pemi lollipop. (I have done it twice on skis.)

Technically, the valley route around Owls Head from LW could also be described as a lollipop. Perhaps it should be called the Western Pemi lollipop or Owls Head lollipop to distinguish from the above.

IIRC, Steve Smith reported hiking the WPL/OHL on his blog a few years ago. He did it in last summer or early fall minimize the difficulty of stream crossings (and maybe also bugs).

Doug

nartreb
04-02-2014, 11:52 AM
DayTrip, you're probably thinking of the Black Pond and Franconia Falls bushwhack options. See here: http://www.summitpost.org/owl-s-head-path-west-slide/165816#chapter_3

These are not at all like the North Twin bypass route, which is a trail in all but name. These routes can be quite obvious in winter when there are footprints to follow, but will usually require the ability to follow a compass and/or a stream.

Tom_Murphy
04-02-2014, 01:00 PM
I am also planning a Pemi Loop hike this summer and would like to pre-hike the areas in the valley should I decide to bail off the ridge and take a shorter route out. I have not been beyond the Owl Head junction on Lincoln Brook Trail or beyond the Lincoln Brook Trail junction before and from what I was told in another thread these areas have improved but are still a little confusing. I'd imagine if it was dark or poor weather it could be an issue as well. If anyone has any info on the area I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

I do this loop twice a year in order to maintain the Lincoln Brook Trail from the OH silde to Camp 13. The Franconia Brook Trail is much, much easier to follow than the Lincoln Brook Trail. There is a short re-route on the FBT around a beaver pond at the south end but the rest of it is like a highway, following the old RR cut.

The only time I could see taking the LBT would be if you bushwhacked east off of the Franconia ridge. The stream crossing on both trails can be difficult in the spring.

I think the only confusing part of the LBT is just north of the slide due to herdpaths for camping sites, YMMV. Hike the loop counter-clockwise for less navigation issues.