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    New sign - No dogs allowed?

    My regular hiking partner was over at Lincoln Woods, Wilderness Trail yesterday and saw a sign at the entrance to the Service Road that showed a dog with a line through it.

    The 11.2 mile loop hike is one of my favorite hikes with my dog. She especially loves the swimming part. I just can't believe she is no longer allowed!

    Does anyone know anything about this new sign and the reasoning behind it?

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    The no dog rule only applies in the winter. In the other three seasons Fido is welcome.
    What do you mean he don't eat no meat? Ok, I'll do lamb.

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    MadRiver...

    Thanks so much for the information, I never knew that.

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    While chatting with a Ranger one day he mentioned that dogs were restricted in the winter from hiking on the East Branch side. They were allowed on the Wilderness side all four seasons however. He really didnít give me a reason for the restriction, but if I were to hazard a guess it might have something to do with XC skiing.
    What do you mean he don't eat no meat? Ok, I'll do lamb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadRiver
    They were allowed on the Wilderness side all four seasons however. He really didnít give me a reason for the restriction, but if I were to hazard a guess it might have something to do with XC skiing.
    Dogs are prohibited from most groomed XC trails in the WMNF, postholing and collision issues. Personally I'm surprised they aren't prohibited on the Wilderness Trail side, although this is officially a hiking trail on the inventory it has been given 2/3 to the skiers.

    If you want to be legalistic, dogs are prohibited in Franconia Notch State Park although this is not enforced
    http://www.franconianotchstatepark.com/

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    It's a skiing thing, and rightfully so (from a dog-lover mind you). Isn't the Lincoln Woods Trail section requiring leashes even in the summer, too? I believe there is a sign at the trailhead, but not if you are coming from Zealand (as I once did, and plead ignorance).

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    [QUOTE=RoySwkr]Dogs are prohibited from most groomed XC trails in the WMNF, postholing and collision issues.

    Is that a rule that the WMNF has set up or is it a town rule where the XC trails are? I'm curious because in Waterville Valley many dog owners are upset that they cannot bring their dogs on the trails except for one trail. Can dog owners apply to the National Forest for a permit to use some of those trails for dog walking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dug
    It's a skiing thing, and rightfully so (from a dog-lover mind you).
    But it sure makes it difficult for folks to find a place to Skijor. It tough enough to find dog friendly locations, adding skis makes it even harder. I don't skijor (yet) but am always scouting possible locations. Found one more to cross off my "possibles" list.

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    As an avid xc skier, I find it odd that any of the trails in the WMNF would be off limits to pooches. If you're looking for pristine groomed trails, go to a touring center. That's where I want nice skate lanes and solid classic tracks. If you're not worried about those things, go "backcountry" skiing. Which to me implies less than pristine with tracks of all sorts - skiers, hiker, snowshoers, dogs, lions, tigers and bears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smitty77
    But it sure makes it difficult for folks to find a place to Skijor. It tough enough to find dog friendly locations, adding skis makes it even harder. I don't skijor (yet) but am always scouting possible locations. Found one more to cross off my "possibles" list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smitty77
    but am always scouting possible locations
    Check out Harvard Research Forest - not behind the Fisher Museum on 32, but instead over on 122. Take South Athol Road to 122 south for a few miles. You'll see a pond on the east - your left. On either side of the pond, there are gates with parking areas (and two more gates further south). The northernmost gate usually has ample plowed off-road winter parking. The entire area between 122 and Tom Swamp road is frequented by snowmobilers, so there are sorta groomed tracks, which might help for a beginner dog. I've never had trouble with the snowmobilers there.

    Wendell State Forest might be a possibility too. They have both snowmobile and x-c ski tracks. I always see dogs there, though I don't know if they're officially allowed. I've not seen skjoring there.

    For ungroomed and unsnowmobiled, Bears Den is my choice. From the Newton Reservoir entrance there's a wide forest road that goes two miles back to the Millers River. From the other entrance (the sign is across the road from the hospital), there's a two other other easily-skied roads from either entrance. If there's enough snow, some of the trails are skiable too.
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    speaking of skijorring!

    Are dogs really allowed in the Harvard Forest?? At my old job we had research plots there, and they were pretty restrictive of lots of things there, as I recall?? (not trying to be a downer! I'd love to take my dogs there!)

    Quote Originally Posted by smitty77
    But it sure makes it difficult for folks to find a place to Skijor. It tough enough to find dog friendly locations, adding skis makes it even harder. I don't skijor (yet) but am always scouting possible locations. Found one more to cross off my "possibles" list.

    Smitty
    Smitty, this guy has an excellent reputation for starting off new teams the right way. I'd LOVE to spend a weekend training with him someday, and the cabins look great, too!

    http://www.dogsledridesvermont.com/skijoring.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by una_dogger
    Are dogs really allowed in the Harvard Forest?? At my old job we had research plots there, and they were pretty restrictive of lots of things there, as I recall?? (not trying to be a downer! I'd love to take my dogs there!)
    If we're talking Harvard Forest in and around Petersham MA, I do not believe they are against the rules. I've not seen a single "no dogs" sign, or even a "dogs must be leashed" sign, nor have I been reprimanded the few times I've seen personnel out there. Mostly, I went off route 122 where there's much less visible research. Behind the Fisher Museum, there's obviously lots of stuff going on.

    If anyone finds themselves in the area with a bit of spare time, the Fisher Museum (no entrance fee) has an interesting set of dioramas showing local history and forest evolution.

    Except for snowmobilers in winter and hunters in deer season, I hardly ever see anyone out there.

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    Harvard Forest!

    Sounds like a great spot! Thanks for sharing one of your favorite dog places!
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    IMO - I would endorse a no dog allowed all months of the year in the whites. Leave them at home. ADK's are good that way.
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