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    Cole is not a service dog. He is a therapy dog/ESA. That does not grant him access to BSP or many other places she takes him (restaurants, trails closed to dogs in Acadia, etc.)

    Also, dogs not actively performing a task are afforded the same access rights as when they are on duty. IE - A service dog used as a pack animal doesn't need to be carrying a load to be given access.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sierra View Post
    I wasn't going to get back on this thread, but I changed my mind. Alton does beat her drum loud, for many, that's a bad thing. To me, it's show's she is excited, happy and exuberant. Her dog is not a wolf, it's a catch phrase she uses, he is a Shiba inu. I have followed her on FB for some time. I've also met her in person. She is incredibly nice and friendly, not to mention supporting to anyone she meets regardless of their level of hiking ability. Unfortunately, she is routinely targeted in mean spirited ways because of her flamboyancy. I guess that's why, frankly this thread has not been up my alley so to speak. Bottom line, her dog is certified and legal to enter the park. She sought and received approval by the park, there was no end game here. They made the decision to let her dog in. I find it interesting that still isn't good enough for some. Do you know if she has a condition not publicly known? are you comfortable slandering her without concrete knowledge that she doesn't? Maybe time would be better spent complaining to Baxter officials about rules your not pleased with, then insinuating she committed malfeasance. The good news is, she's pretty dam strong and used to this type of thing and to busy doing a presi traverse with Cole to even care. Now, I'm done with this.
    Her friendly demeanor and her support of people she meets have nothing to do with the topic. Routinely targeted in mean spirited ways? That's unfortunate but I've never heard of her until now and I'm certainly not being mean spirited for the sake of it. I posted an unbiased opinion based on what is known. Could she have a condition that truly warranted the dog being there? Of course... However, I think her response to "How did you get him in there?" would have been more cut and dry. As for folks having a problem with BSP and their policies, you seem to be the only one in that particular camp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_Murphy View Post
    It is so fascinating to me that we have the same source material and, in good faith, reach opposite conclusions. IMO Gov. Baxter' charter prioritizes the flora and fauna over human enjoyment of the park. So I don't think he would have said ok.
    My read on that is that Governor Baxter was a politician, and politicians respond to people. I think if he met Alton, he very well might've given her the key to the park and hiked with her, if he could keep up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driver8 View Post
    My read on that is that Governor Baxter was a politician, and politicians respond to people. I think if he met Alton, he very well might've given her the key to the park and hiked with her, if he could keep up.
    He was also a dog lover but specifically excluded them from the park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikehikeskifish View Post
    Note also that it is entirely possible Cole is a service animal and the website from which his credentials stemmed is not up-to-date. It is also entirely possible Alton has a disability for which he is required which she has chosen not to make public.
    For all we know, she could be epileptic or type I diabetic and he is trained to detect or assist. She's not said so, that I know of, but that doesn't mean it's not the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driver8 View Post
    My read on that is that Governor Baxter was a politician, and politicians respond to people. I think if he met Alton, he very well might've given her the key to the park and hiked with her, if he could keep up.
    I think that gets into a pretty slippery slope. IF (and I don't know the woman or this situation, just what I'm reading here) she just got in via pressure, and you are saying he could succumb to that, then where does it stop? My friend did the AT with his dog. Got to the gates, they said "no", he left. Didn't complete the trail without her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sierra View Post
    I wasn't going to get back on this thread, but I changed my mind. Alton does beat her drum loud, for many, that's a bad thing. To me, it's show's she is excited, happy and exuberant. Her dog is not a wolf, it's a catch phrase she uses, he is a Shiba inu. I have followed her on FB for some time. I've also met her in person. She is incredibly nice and friendly, not to mention supporting to anyone she meets regardless of their level of hiking ability. Unfortunately, she is routinely targeted in mean spirited ways because of her flamboyancy. I guess that's why, frankly this thread has not been up my alley so to speak. Bottom line, her dog is certified and legal to enter the park. She sought and received approval by the park, there was no end game here. They made the decision to let her dog in. I find it interesting that still isn't good enough for some. Do you know if she has a condition not publicly known? are you comfortable slandering her without concrete knowledge that she doesn't? Maybe time would be better spent complaining to Baxter officials about rules your not pleased with, then insinuating she committed malfeasance. The good news is, she's pretty dam strong and used to this type of thing and to busy doing a presi traverse with Cole to even care. Now, I'm done with this.
    Hear hear! I think she might have charmed, begged and won over BSP officials for an exception, insofar as Cole may be a service dog, but not one whose services she requires for a disability. All I'm saying is it's clear BSP let her and him in, so tough cookies to those who disagree - it's BSP's call. She is incredibly nice and fun and giving. There's a reason so many people like her. And she's got a helluva horn - hiking talent - so good for her blowing it. I find her inspiring most of the time and occasionally overmuch, but none of us bats 1000. I'm all for her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshandBaron View Post
    Cole is not a service dog. He is a therapy dog/ESA. That does not grant him access to BSP or many other places she takes him (restaurants, trails closed to dogs in Acadia, etc.)

    Also, dogs not actively performing a task are afforded the same access rights as when they are on duty. IE - A service dog used as a pack animal doesn't need to be carrying a load to be given access.
    With respect, JaB, how do you definitively know Cole is not a service animal, certified? A read through this thread suggests he is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dug View Post
    I think that gets into a pretty slippery slope. IF (and I don't know the woman or this situation, just what I'm reading here) she just got in via pressure, and you are saying he could succumb to that, then where does it stop? My friend did the AT with his dog. Got to the gates, they said "no", he left. Didn't complete the trail without her.
    I expect more charm than pressure. Yes, the slope can be slippery. Little in life is perfect, and the administration of the laws is far from so. Special cases get special treatment, and that can be a bad thing, but not always.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driver8 View Post
    I expect more charm than pressure. Yes, the slope can be slippery. Little in life is perfect, and the administration of the laws is far from so. Special cases get special treatment, and that can be a bad thing, but not always.
    I don't agree with it. If this is a valid service animal and is recognized, then all is good. If not, and charm/pressure/influence was exerted, then I don't agree with it. Those who follow the rules lose out? Rules are made for others to follow? I see so much of the squeaky wheel getting the grease, it bugs me to be honest. At the minimum, if you do get your way when others don't, I think I'd recommend toning it down a notch. Rubbing salt in wounds and all that...

    Again, I don't know the woman and am not commenting on the viability of her claim and if this was, or should've been, allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Driver8 View Post
    With respect, JaB, how do you definitively know Cole is not a service animal, certified? A read through this thread suggests he is.
    A read through this thread suggests one person thinks he is. My experience says otherwise. At any rate, there is no negotiation or begging needed with park staff if he is legit. Her history of blatant disregard for canine regulations doesn't help her cause any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sierra View Post
    Bottom line, her dog is certified and legal to enter the park.
    Do you have any concrete info to support this statement?
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    Exhibit A. 1 specific exchange in the comments is also worth a read. http://wanderwomansuperpup.com/?p=167

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshandBaron View Post
    Exhibit A. 1 specific exchange in the comments is also worth a read. http://wanderwomansuperpup.com/?p=167
    Very blantant to say the least on her part. So just say she had gotten hurt breaking the rules in Acadia which she self admittly states she did. What would she have to say about endangering the safety of others that would have to come out and rescue her arse?
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    According to this source: http://registerservicedogs.com/?gcli...FV2HswodcncL1g

    "Certified Emotional Support Dogs" / Laws Protecting you : Fair Housing Amendments Act
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    According to her blog, her dog Cole, "is a certified therapy and emotional support animal."

    As stated earlier, Service Dogs are different from Emotional Support Dogs

    Her dog is apparently NOT a Service Dog.

    Soooooo, apparently the statement that "Only service dogs are allowed in the Park" is not entirely true????????
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