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    Recent Discussion of 1982 S&R Mission/Albert Dow

    Recent Discussion of 1982 S&R Event and death of Albert Dow.

    https://themoth.org/radio-hour/live-from-portsmouth

    https://www.mountwashingtonavalanche...sts-of-rescue/

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    Detailed description of avalanche and analysis from the American Alpine Journal by Joe Gill and Jed Williamson:

    http://publications.americanalpinecl...unt-Washington

    NYT Article from 1982:

    http://www.nytimes.com/1982/03/02/us...l?pagewanted=2
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    Can't seem to get any of those links to work. Not sure which end it's on.
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    That's on my end; they should work now.
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    I might be missing something simple, but...
    - the first link wouldn't let me read it unless I gave money.
    - the second link had a really cool photo, but no meat, just basically pointed the reader toward your first link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    I might be missing something simple, but...
    - the first link wouldn't let me read it unless I gave money.
    - the second link had a really cool photo, but no meat, just basically pointed the reader toward your first link.
    There's nothing to read, it's an audio piece.

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    I am quite familiar with the whole story from perspective of the lost climbers. It was very interesting to listen to the story from the POV of one of the rescuers. I commend Joe Lentini for his willingness to share his perspective; so many years later, I am sure that it is still difficult. The moth story is a worthy listen.

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    This is The Moth MP3 file for download, from themoth.org/radio-hour/live-from-portsmouth. The Joe Lentini talk starts at 18:00.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost Dad View Post
    I am quite familiar with the whole story from perspective of the lost climbers. It was very interesting to listen to the story from the POV of one of the rescuers. I commend Joe Lentini for his willingness to share his perspective; so many years later, I am sure that it is still difficult. The moth story is a worthy listen.
    This is getting to be a fairly dated event at this point and I wonder how many are no longer familiar with this story.

    I was not in NH then and young but from what I understand of this, I'm not sure there's been an event that shook the foundation of the NH S&R and climbing community much more than this one, not to take away from other situations of course. I know one of the guys that was there but we've never spoken about it.

    Edit: I posted links to a good description of the avalanche and an analysis from the AAJ as well as a NYT article from a few years later looking at a question still being answered today.
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    A bit more info about the location of the avalanche: http://publications.americanalpinecl...ion-Head-Trail

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    This was a powerful listen. The Moth did not disappoint.

    "Hugh" went on to become an accomplished engineer and CEO of a company that makes electronic prostheses, which he uses himself. I saw him a few years ago at a keynote speech for Boy Scouts pursuing STEM merit badges. It was all about science and engineering and pursuing dreams. The "incident" was not germane to his talk. His wife was a frequent contributor on this forum years ago.

    Life is complex and takes bizarre turns. I was pleased to learn that Joe came to know Hugh as someone beyond "that stupid guy". Albert Dow's community of friends was terribly affected by this hard lesson on human nature. In the end, the lesson is what remains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven View Post
    This is getting to be a fairly dated event at this point and I wonder how many are no longer familiar with this story.
    It is not dated to me and think of it every time I here about a SAR call out for someone (mainly in winter do to conditions) to look for / rescue a person or persons who've gotten into trouble do to very, very bad decisions. Because they don't realize their selfishness is putting others in danger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustJoe View Post
    It is not dated to me and think of it every time I here about a SAR call out for someone (mainly in winter do to conditions) to look for / rescue a person or persons who've gotten into trouble do to very, very bad decisions. Because they don't realize their selfishness is putting others in danger.
    And I've heard enough about it over the years to not forget it even though I was 11 at the time of the incident. I imagine there are plenty of people reading VFTT that are not even aware this occurred. With 40 years passing, retelling an old story hopefully will open some eyes. The Kate Matrosova story has overshadowed much in the past few years. Fortunately, no rescuers lost their lives on that one.
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    This is all new to me. I was 2 when it happened and was not (until now) familiar with the story. This actually changes (or maybe amplifies) my perspective considerably about putting yourself and others in danger when requiring rescue. Thanks for posting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven View Post
    And I've heard enough about it over the years to not forget it even though I was 7 at the time of the incident. I imagine there are plenty of people reading VFTT that are not even aware this occurred. With 40 years passing, retelling an old story hopefully will open some eyes. The Kate Matrosova story has overshadowed much in the past few years. Fortunately, no rescuers lost their lives on that one.
    The loss of Albert Dow had a direct impact on SAR protocol. They now evaluate the safety of the team going into a rescue. back then, it was more gung ho. I was just starting my hiking career at 14yrs old and it was talked about for a few years after. I actually saw Hugh Herr climbing a few times at Cathedral Ledge with his prosthetic legs. He was strong. Put up a route called " Stage fright 5.12x" I believe.

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    This happened in 1982, not 1978. I was a kid but remember hearing about it.

    For those interested, Alison Osius wrote an excellent book, ‘Second Ascent: The Story of Hugh Herr.’

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