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    New proposed Landfill in Dalton NH

    This one was under my radar,

    https://www.northcountryabc.org/

    Dalton is definitely an out of sight out of mind community, lots of farms and woodlands. The section of the Connecticut river north of the Moore dam impoundment is a nice paddle. It does have a nearby exit on I 93 and given that Casella is running out delay tactics for the Bethlehem Landfill closure they need a new home for their lucrative business of burying predominantly southern New England trash. A lot of the staff of the Gilman Papermill lived on the Dalton side of the river due to the big difference in income taxes and sales taxes in VT.

    The brooks leaving the Bethlehem landfill site have been reported to be subject to numerous water quality violations over the years due to run off from the landfill.

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    Where I live we have a “Landfill”. Not quit sure how a “Landill” works though. Can you hike there?
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    This project is still going through permitting and looks like CLF is moving to sue. Casella has very deep pockets and knows that local opposition is very underfunded and will suffer from burnout so they just keep plugging at it as the payout is in the 100s of millions over the life of landfill CLF on the other hand has access to funding and rarely picks a fight they do not feel confident about winning.

    https://www.nhpr.org/post/lawsuit-ai...-plan#stream/0

    The landfill in Success Township, Mt Carberry, is owned by the local communities and Coos County acting on the unorganized townships behalf. The claim was that it would only accept waste from out of the region for as long as it took to pay off the initial debts for buying it but over the years the temptation is to accept out of the area waste as its great cash flow to subsidize the costs to run the place. I think its got another 30 or 40 years on it and as far as I know has stayed out of any DES actions. There is a neighborhood in Berlin that was downwind of the former pulpmill that on occasion demands special concessions from the city now that the far more obvious odor from the pulp mill is long gone due to a perceived odor from the Mt Carberry landfill but it generally doesn't go anywhere. Unlike the existing Bethlehem plant and the proposed Dalton plant, the Mt Carberry plants leachate (Liquids draining from the landfill) are discharged to The Berlin Municipal Wastewater treatment plant, rather than unmonitored sites in a local watershed. Any gases from the landfill are collected, cleaned and then piped to the local papermil to run part of their boilers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiguy View Post
    Where I live we have a “Landfill”. Not quit sure how a “Landill” works though. Can you hike there?
    You probably wouldn't want to hike there. i worked with a guy in the 90's who as a kid used to climb the hill in a local private landfill. When he told me the name, I told him about a job I had in the 80's doing bookkeeping for a trash hauler. Our company had their own key so we could dump after hours. I'm sure it was all on the up and up, afterall, when the authorities came and took our records, it was not what they were looking for..... (and you only thought I rained on your parades, I changed how he remembered his childhood)
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    Now, this is a landfill...or used to be:

    https://ny.curbed.com/2016/9/13/1289...neering-design

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    Quote Originally Posted by maineguy View Post
    Now, this is a landfill...or used to be:

    https://ny.curbed.com/2016/9/13/1289...neering-design
    The business and economics of garbage is truly amazing and mystifying.

    As alluded to in the article, much of the urban North East now ships its trash 1,500 miles by train to poor, rural locales in the south.

    Trash trains are a major moneymaker for CSX, Norfolk Southern and other railroads.
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    During the week in the AM there is usually quite a line up along RT 3 north of the Franconia Parkway of trucks waiting to get into Bethlehem. There was spill of shredded plastic into the ocean near Searsport Maine. Shredded plastic waste is being imported from Ireland to be burnt in trash burner in Maine,. One of the bales fell in the water and another broke apart. Maine has rules against importing waste from other states but there is huge loop hole that allows recyclable products to be brought into the state. like demolition debris The debris are dumped on the ground, moved sorted with a loader and most is reloaded into a truck bound for the Old Town landfill (state owned), Crossroads in Norridgewock or PERC. Most folks do not care where it goes after they put it in the curb.

    The biggest scam is zero sort recyclables. Landfill owners convinced towns to go to zero sort ostensibly to reduce landfill flow but the resultant recyclable streams from zero sort are contaminated far more than segregated recyclables. That reduces the value of the products and many towns decide to landfill it as the market is bad for contaminated zero sort. Areas that stuck with segregated recycling have been impacted far less with the big drop in pricing. Of course for quite a few years the scam was to fill empty shipping containers to be sent to China for recycling. It was just plain trash but the shipping was close to free and there was always an unregulated dump to send it to on the other end.

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    Update

    https://www.nhbr.com/should-nh-ban-l...r-state-parks/

    Definitely a David and Goliath battle. I have witnessed the odor from the "state of the art" landfill in Berlin NH on rare occasions. No those those visiting the state park and camp owners on the lake will not appreciate a large commercial landfill upwind

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    There are plenty of year-round residents on Forest Lake. It is a true gem. I can't believe someone would propose something like this, but I really shouldn't be surprised. The proposed landfill is much bigger than the lake.

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    As pointed out, Dalton had no planning and zoning. Only residents can vote on planning and zoning so second home owners are not in the loop. Land was cheap and its sort of close to an Interstate. The other landfill they own in Newport VT is close to capacity and has significant impact on Lake Memphremagog in Newport VT (its an international water shared with Canada and drinking water source) so if the northbound trucks on I 91 have to take a right onto I 93 in Saint J instead of heading north over Sheffield Heights to Newport VT the Dalton location is ideal. What I wonder about is where does the leachate that is inevitably collected go?. The owner currently has a problem with leachate getting into the Ammonoosuc in Bethlehem at their current landfill. The community owned AVRRD landfill in Berlin has always gone to a downstream treatment plant but there is no treatment plant in Dalton. When it rains there is quite a bit of flow until the landfill is full, closed and capped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maineguy View Post
    There are plenty of year-round residents on Forest Lake. It is a true gem. I can't believe someone would propose something like this, but I really shouldn't be surprised. The proposed landfill is much bigger than the lake.
    I haven't commented on this prior as I was very close to the issue and Casella went sue crazy on many of the project opponents who I know well. Saw mention yesterday of a counter-suit against Casella.....

    I ran into an old-timer friend and abutting neighbor of the landowner at the sand pile in Bethlehem last year. The old timer said along the lines of "I love (so & so), known him since he was a kid, but sometimes the guy has rocks in his head. What the heck is he thinking putting a landfill next to the park and the lake."

    The land between the proposed site and the lake is rather wet. And even though the surface drainages run away from the lake, I can't help but think ground water moves down the hill towards the lake.

    The first move by the developer was to subdivide the proposed landfill lot to create a buffer between the pit and the state park boundary, so they would not have to deal with the state (park) as an abutter. The abutters stepped up to oppose this subdivision and it failed with the town.

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