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    SAR in Franconia Notch?

    We were going south through Franconia Notch at 6:45 pm Saturday and saw what looked to be a SAR operation. There were several trucks and police in the northbound lane just after the Basin. I read about a rescue on the Greenleaf Trail, but this was several miles south of the Greenleaf trailhead.

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    Surprise... two separate incidents.

    2019-08-31 Callout #19 - Eagle Cliff, Franconia Notch - Injured climber
    2019-08-31 Callout #20 - Falling Waters Trail - injured hiker

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    It's getting to the point where they should just station a SAR team at the Lafayette parking area every weekend. Seems like there is an accident every weekend on the Falling Waters Trail now.
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    2019-09-01 Callout #21 - Old Bridle Path
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    Sounds like they ought to hand out headlamps to all hikers heading down OBP after a certain hour. I like the idea of carrying an extra inexpensive headlamp or 2 myself in case I ever run across someone in need. Maybe PemiSAR needs to run a headlamp collection to offset all the loaners that are never returned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost Dad View Post
    2019-09-01 Callout #21 - Old Bridle Path
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    Sounds like they ought to hand out headlamps to all hikers heading down OBP after a certain hour. I like the idea of carrying an extra inexpensive headlamp or 2 myself in case I ever run across someone in need. Maybe PemiSAR needs to run a headlamp collection to offset all the loaners that are never returned.
    You would really carry extra lamps and hand them out? Not me, the way to learn is to find out what you need through experience. A slow walk out with multiple trips and falls, will enforce the need for them to buy their own lights. Once descending Washington, I ran into group of unprepared hikers. One of the girls was cold, I mean teeth chattering cold. I gave her one of my jackets and said, leave at the trading post, I'll get later. I booked on down, went to Gorham for a bit. On my way back through stopped at Pinkham. Was my jacket at the front desk? take a wild guess, 200 bucks gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sierra View Post
    You would really carry extra lamps and hand them out? Not me, the way to learn is to find out what you need through experience. A slow walk out with multiple trips and falls, will enforce the need for them to buy their own lights. Once descending Washington, I ran into group of unprepared hikers. One of the girls was cold, I mean teeth chattering cold. I gave her one of my jackets and said, leave at the trading post, I'll get later. I booked on down, went to Gorham for a bit. On my way back through stopped at Pinkham. Was my jacket at the front desk? take a wild guess, 200 bucks gone.
    Thatís just bad karma. I had a similar experience on Whitehorse ledge. Girl climbing above us dropped her belay device almost taking me out. Between my partner and I we had an extra device and gave it to her when we got to where she was anchored. We just ask for her to leave it at IME when they got down. Never saw it again. Should have left them there tied off to the side of the cliff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skiguy View Post
    Thatís just bad karma. I had a similar experience on Whitehorse ledge. Girl climbing above us dropped her belay device almost taking me out. Between my partner and I we had an extra device and gave it to her when we got to where she was anchored. We just ask for her to leave it at IME when they got down. Never saw it again. Should have left them there tied off to the side of the cliff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skiguy View Post
    Should have left them there tied off to the side of the cliff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TJsName View Post
    Always exchange contact information. Nowadays it's really easy with cell phones.
    In all practicality that would have been nice. But this was in the day before one carried a cell phone while cragging. Not that I would be doing that present day anyhow. I also at that time didn't carry sticky notes and a pencil. Besides in that day there still was a common brotherhood or at least a perceiving of that paradigm. Meet up FB didn't exist. I think the point was we were doing what we thought was a good deed at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jniehof View Post
    Munter is a friend to all children.
    Agreed. Although it was not the time and place for a climbing lesson to whom someone I did not know. Besides after being whizzed by their dropped device I think they may have been beyond the point of that level of comprehension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost Dad View Post
    2019-09-01 Callout #21 - Old Bridle Path
    https://www.facebook.com/pemisar/

    Sounds like they ought to hand out headlamps to all hikers heading down OBP after a certain hour. I like the idea of carrying an extra inexpensive headlamp or 2 myself in case I ever run across someone in need. Maybe PemiSAR needs to run a headlamp collection to offset all the loaners that are never returned.
    I remember years ago when the AMC was trying to get to get the Hut permit approved that one of the points of contention was that AMC was effectively running a convenience store at the huts. They agreed to substantially reduce the inventory to "safety gear". One of the items that continued to be offered was flashlights specifically for hikers who forgot theirs. I do remember long ago that a dayhiker who planned poorly by not carrying a flashlight on a Mt Washington hike raised a big stink that AMC refused to make room for them in the hut overnight as the hiker lacked a flashlight and was tired. AMCs response was that they would gladly sell them a flashlight for their trip down to the base. Note in recent years, the huts offering does seem to have crept back to the convenience store to the point that Madison Hut was selling pulled pork sandwiches cooked to order for lunch the last time I stopped by this summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peakbagger View Post
    I remember years ago when the AMC was trying to get to get the Hut permit approved that one of the points of contention was that AMC was effectively running a convenience store at the huts. They agreed to substantially reduce the inventory to "safety gear". One of the items that continued to be offered was flashlights specifically for dayhikers who forgot theirs. I do remember long ago that a hiker who planned poorly by not carrying a flashlight on a Mt Washington hike raised a big stink that AMC refused to make room for them in the hut overnight as the hiker lacked a flashlight and was tired. AMCs response was that they would gladly sell them a flashlight for their trip down to the base. Note in recent years, the huts offering does seem to have crept back to the convenience store to the point that Madison Hut was selling pulled pork sandwiches cooked to order for lunch the last time I stopped by this summer.
    Would you know what the parameters are for a non profit essentially acting as a concession? It seems as if these types of services are being offered within a National Forest it should be put out for bid rather than the AMC monopolizing the situation. My only guess would be that it is part of their lease agreement. On the other side of it a pulled pork sandwich at almost five thousand feet after hiking sounds pretty good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skiguy View Post
    Would you know what the parameters are for a non profit essentially acting as a concession? It seems as if these types of services are being offered within a National Forest it should be put out for bid rather than the AMC monopolizing the situation. My only guess would be that it is part of their lease agreement. On the other side of it a pulled pork sandwich at almost five thousand feet after hiking sounds pretty good.
    I believe it was last year I passed by Lake Of Clouds hut and they were running an actual take out window with multiple food options, noodle dish and some other stuff. They actually had a menu board hanging on the side of hut. Thought that was a bit much. Not much of a wilderness experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peakbagger View Post
    Madison Hut was selling pulled pork sandwiches cooked to order for lunch the last time I stopped by this summer.
    Last year on closing day, cooking all the leftover food, it was turkey sandwiches as I remember. But the person I talked with was very careful not to be "selling" them. There was the tip jar and there may have been a suggested amount.

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    All I know is reigning back on the inventory for sale was reportedly part of the negotiations for continuing the, at the time, contentious hut permit. The year after, they didn't stock any snack food.

    I heard from an older hut crew employee at one point that the crew got to keep the profit from certain side business specifically the snacks and morning leftover sales. The current crew does seem to be pretty casual with how the money is handled for snacks. They may have prices on them (which vary hut to hut) but its run more like a tip arrangement where the money container is not monitored and many folks round up their purchases than an actual purchase which would be expected if they have to report revenue to mothership. If you look at their per portion cost versus ingredient cost, it does seem to be a nice sideline.

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