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    It really sucks that the bears ultimately pay the price for the stupidity of humans. I'd rather see them ban hiking in the area, increase enforcement of regulations, etc in the area versus killing the bears. But that would disrupt the precious 4k peak bagging process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey J View Post
    I never drop my pack and become separated from it regardless of the terrain. I want my pack and everything in it to be close at hand at all times.
    I wonder how other people feel about this practice in general, even if you leave the bear out of the equation.
    I leave and have left my backpack now and then when I think it’ll be helpful to me. As long as I’m going back the same way. I don’t leave anything like my wallet or something I can’t afford to lose. I’ll only do it if I have my waist pack with things I might need. (water,beanie,gloves etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshandBaron View Post
    Nothing like a good bear attack to cull the herd and discourage use of a busy area. Win-win.
    I was thankful the bear didn't attack me, but you never know maybe next time the bear will rip me up good. However, I'll still be out in the woods, everywhere, once healed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DayTrip View Post
    It really sucks that the bears ultimately pay the price for the stupidity of humans. I'd rather see them ban hiking in the area, increase enforcement of regulations, etc in the area versus killing the bears. But that would disrupt the precious 4k peak bagging process.
    It would be tough to close off the area, there are to many ways to get in there. A male bear can roam 15 miles daily, that's a lot of ground to close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey J View Post
    I never drop my pack and become separated from it regardless of the terrain. I want my pack and everything in it to be close at hand at all times.
    I wonder how other people feel about this practice in general, even if you leave the bear out of the equation.
    I have dropped my pack a few times in the past, never for more than a 0.1 mile spur. I have decided not to leave it behind in the future. I decided I needed all the gear in my pack when I packed it, so I want to keep it with me.
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    I have been actively hiking for 12 years and until this year have only seen one bear. I have seen 4 this year, all in the Northern Presidential area.

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    Those bear Vaults are really a pain in in the arse to pack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sierra View Post
    It would be tough to close off the area, there are to many ways to get in there. A male bear can roam 15 miles daily, that's a lot of ground to close.
    The bears in the pemi back in the late eighties would raid a different campsite every night. Generally if the bears hit Desolation shelter they would hit the Thoreau Falls area the next night and Franconia Falls the night after before returning to Desolation. The bears would run out of the woods and into the Desolation shelter and grab packs and food bags then drag the booty out into the woods to be eaten. The Thirteen Falls area of late was reported to be visited every night. Black bear issues generally can be managed with a combination of food storage and occasional removal of problem bears. Bears work on risk reward. There is plenty of reward and almost no risk with hikers and campers. I believe that the only entity that actually has the right to kill a bear out of season in NH is NHF&G. NHF&G is short staffed and typically truck based, they have to ration their resources and unless there is an actual hiker attack, it is probably difficult to justify an all day hike into Lincoln Woods to scare off a bear. Generally shooting a bear is a last resort.

    I guess its time for a couple of Karelian Bear Dogs to shift the risk reward ratio.

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    The only reason bears, for the most part, associate humans with food is through the humans stupidity. It most definitely is a shame the bear has to pay the ultimate price for this. And because of the origins of this post, it seems stupidity has run rampant. This leaving packs behind is just insane, especially if it's being done on a regular basis at the bottom of Owls Head Slide. Which apparently is a thing if they've had to put up a sign. You are about a mile, and 1500' away from your pack at the summit. Not only does that give bears all the time in the world to have a Yogi Bear type picnic, it leaves you without (what I would hope have with you to survive the night that deep in the wilderness) should something unexpected happen while you were up there.

    I seriously doubt bears deep in the Pemi are garbage eaters. They have learned people=food from hikers and backpackers. So yeah, we invade their territory. Feed them either on purpose, through carelessness, or shear stupidity. And for that, they get to die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skiguy View Post
    Those bear Vaults are really a pain in in the arse to pack.

    An Ursack isn't.

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    This discussion has caused me to rethink my feelings about leaving my backpack at the bottom of some steep sections. I’ll only leave it at some of the huts( lake of clouds, Madison springs, etc.) where I won’t have to worry. At least for this time, I didn’t have to learn the hard way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustJoe View Post
    The only reason bears, for the most part, associate humans with food is through the humans stupidity. It most definitely is a shame the bear has to pay the ultimate price for this. And because of the origins of this post, it seems stupidity has run rampant. This leaving packs behind is just insane, especially if it's being done on a regular basis at the bottom of Owls Head Slide. Which apparently is a thing if they've had to put up a sign. You are about a mile, and 1500' away from your pack at the summit. Not only does that give bears all the time in the world to have a Yogi Bear type picnic, it leaves you without (what I would hope have with you to survive the night that deep in the wilderness) should something unexpected happen while you were up there.

    I seriously doubt bears deep in the Pemi are garbage eaters. They have learned people=food from hikers and backpackers. So yeah, we invade their territory. Feed them either on purpose, through carelessness, or shear stupidity. And for that, they get to die.
    In hindsight, it was a stupid thing to do, but somehow I reasoned out that I had my essentials with me, there was no food in my pack that I left and what was in the pack was stuff I could live without, so the risk was minimal to me. What I didn't consider was the risk to the bear and to other hikers in my ignorance. I suppose that was why I posted here to begin with. It's a new record to for me, to be stupid, ignorant and insane all in my first post! Glad I got that out of the way quickly!

    Oh, and I almost forgot, the only reason I was climbing that peak was because it was one of the few 4K's I hadn't climbed yet. Yeah, so there's that.

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    'Yellow - Yellow' was the nickname for an ADK bear, the name coming from the two times the bear was captured and relocated due to aggressive approaches to campers. Would walk right into a leanto and scatter the occupants to get at food and packs. Eventually had to be killed. I don't remember if this was the bear that taught a couple of litters of cubs how to open a certain type of bear canister that is now no longer allowed in the ADKs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richard View Post
    This discussion has caused me to rethink my feelings about leaving my backpack at the bottom of some steep sections. I’ll only leave it at some of the huts( lake of clouds, Madison springs, etc.) where I won’t have to worry. At least for this time, I didn’t have to learn the hard way.
    Now that you mention it, I seem to remember once leaving my pack behind at Lakes Hut about 35 years ago while we scampered up Monroe to bag it. It was my introduction to the 48 and the whole concept of peakbagging the list. It was waiting for me right where I left it, but I can't recall ever leaving it behind again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peakbagr View Post
    Eventually had to be killed.
    Yellow-yellow was killed by a hunter, legally. The state never relocated her or her cubs.

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