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    Quote Originally Posted by HAMTERO View Post
    Best thread in years! Itís actually worth checking back every day.
    True!

    I think it's hilarious how some of us start thinking like lawyers as we seek ways to avoid the spirit (if not the letter) of these stay at home orders.

    Your honor, my client asks this court, "What does 'appropriate' actually mean in the context of this order???" OMG

    And on this topic, I wonder: Is appropriate for me to sneak a day of solitary fly fishing in the Swift River this week?

    What say you jury?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisB View Post
    True!

    I think it's hilarious how some of us start thinking like lawyers as we seek ways to avoid the spirit (if not the letter) of these stay at home orders.

    Your honor, my client asks this court, "What does 'appropriate' actually mean in the context of this order???" OMG

    And on this topic, I wonder: Is appropriate for me to sneak a day of solitary fly fishing in the Swift River this week?

    What say you jury?
    Because I live in Vermont (a half mile from MA), if I drive to my nearest supermarket to buy food, I can return home no problem. But if I drive the same distance to a hardware store, I have to self-quarantine for 14 days when I get home. If I stop to buy beer on the way back from the hardware store, no problem. What am I going to do with all that beer?

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    When I read that the fourteen day quarantine requirement in Maine would extend through August, I immediately wrote Maine off as a possible place to spend my vacation dollars. I'm sure I'm not alone.

    This will kill the hospitality industry and my guess end of June there'll be pressure to end that requirement to save the economy. Unsure how people who live in, say, Portsmouth or Newburyport or North Conway, go about crossing the border. Is there a host of exemptions? Haven't really looked at the order. My NH friend and I were thinking of doing the six pack this summer (she needs it for NEHH) and wonder if we could and stay within guidelines.
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    I have written to all of my NH state legislators about the situation. They've all responded saying that they oppose the trailhead closures, that they are concerned that the trailhead closures are causing excess usage on the trails that remain open, and that they are working with the governor to keep the state park trailheads open.

    It's sad how some people are misunderstanding what the actual orders say, most particularly the Forest Service, but others, who think they know what the orders mean when the actual text of the orders says otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfb View Post
    What am I going to do with all that beer?
    If you have a pen handy and want to jot down my shipping address I have a suggestion.....
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    The NH Governor will release his reopening plan on Friday (May 1st) as his current stay at home order ends May 4th. Every indication is the order will be extended with some reopening.He is getting a lot of feedback from the towns on campground reopening.

    The next big date is May 23rd as the ATV trails in north country are scheduled to reopen. That brings a flood of ATV owners, usually overnight into Coos county from all over New England and a large demand for tourist services which currently are closed. The ATV activity may be inherently social distancing but the parties and events at the end of the day almost every weekend where many local organizations and small business's make a big chunk of their profits are inherently great places to transmit a virus. Unlike the hiking public, the local ATV industry has a fairly clear and effective media and political presence, if they don't like something they tend to speak as one and loudly to local and regional politicians. If the governor messes with the ATV crowd he is going to make a lot of enemies and major economic impact to the north country. To date Coos county has had minimal CV-19 impact, with only two reported cases several weeks old. The economic impact of the shutdown to the county is reported to be higher than other parts of the state as the economy is far more fragile. There will be a temptation to try to open things up sooner rather than later to retain some sort of economic activity. Gorham is racing to put a new ATV access point in place in time so a short delay in opening the trails may be negotiated but since the season has not started yet, many of those that would be employed in the future but not employed due to CV-19 will not be able to access the enhanced unemployment benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peppersass View Post
    When I read that the fourteen day quarantine requirement in Maine would extend through August, I immediately wrote Maine off as a possible place to spend my vacation dollars. I'm sure I'm not alone.

    This will kill the hospitality industry and my guess end of June there'll be pressure to end that requirement to save the economy. Unsure how people who live in, say, Portsmouth or Newburyport or North Conway, go about crossing the border. Is there a host of exemptions? Haven't really looked at the order. My NH friend and I were thinking of doing the six pack this summer (she needs it for NEHH) and wonder if we could and stay within guidelines.
    Here is a link to "AN ORDER ESTABLISHING ARRIVING QUARANTINE RESTRICTIONS ON TRAVELERS IN MAINE": https://www.maine.gov/governor/mills...in%20Maine.pdf Less than 4 pages, so a quick read. Perhaps I am missing something, but I don't see any travel exemptions mentioned in this order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iAmKrzys View Post
    Here is a link to "AN ORDER ESTABLISHING ARRIVING QUARANTINE RESTRICTIONS ON TRAVELERS IN MAINE": https://www.maine.gov/governor/mills...in%20Maine.pdf Less than 4 pages, so a quick read. Perhaps I am missing something, but I don't see any travel exemptions mentioned in this order.
    Thanks for posting, I hadn't read that previously. We have a reservation at a house in ME on a lake in August, so the order to close all short term rentals impacts us. Guess we're canceling that one! Perhaps things will be settled by then, but we need to cancel 90 days in advance (so mid-May) to get our deposit back.
    Sure. Why not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougBates View Post
    I have written to all of my NH state legislators about the situation. They've all responded saying that they oppose the trailhead closures

    Any word on how first responders feel about the closures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hikerbrian View Post
    Thanks for posting, I hadn't read that previously. We have a reservation at a house in ME on a lake in August, so the order to close all short term rentals impacts us. Guess we're canceling that one! Perhaps things will be settled by then, but we need to cancel 90 days in advance (so mid-May) to get our deposit back.
    As somebody who works in this industry, I would first contact the owners of the house in Maine and discuss what sort of flexibility they'll allow for cancellations, in light of the industry disarray from the pandemic -- that's if you really want to keep the reservation on the chance that you'll be allowed in Maine in August. I would think that they would rather have the reservation than not, and will waive the 90-day requirement.

    The hospitality industry is getting hammered right now with all sorts of cancellations for reservations months out, and requests for deposit refunds.

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    Whatever you do document all the discussions and preferably get any changes of terms in writing. Things could get nasty at some point from a legal perspective and generally verbal agreements to modify terms are not worth much in court.

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    Just received the email that all AMC huts are closed this "the remainder of 2020." I have the option to do Pinkham or Highland, get a refund or a credit, or book for 2021.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TJsName View Post
    I personally am shocked that this wasn't a Clint Eastwood character spitting.
    What's Clint Eastwood got to do with this?
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    Well, the curve has been flattened in Maine, and elsewhere in Northern NE. So why are trailheads still closed? I thought the goal was to "flatten the curve". That's what we've been hearing for weeks. Well? Few hospitals were overwhelmed, even in NYC where the USNS Comfort is leaving because it is apparently not needed. Certainly not in northern NE. The new goal appears to be no more cases...and good luck with that. I mean, most of the country has been locked down...where are all these new cases coming from? As many experts have postulated, maybe the lockdown is not only not effective but the wrong thing to do. And remember, those projections had lockdowns and social distancing baked into them. Maine has had a total of 52 deaths as of this morning in a state of 1.3 million. Each governor up here is afraid to be the first to open things up. And of course, the real problem is the proximity of NY and MA.

    https://time.com/5827156/squashing-s...virus-covid19/
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