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    I don't contribute enough but I appreciate the knowledge on display here. I also feel the site is very well managed. I can do without flame wars. The information here is more reliable than other social media, especially as I am familiar with many of the people who post here. Message boards may be going the way of listservs, although there are sites in Colorado, Arizona, Oregon, etc., that are still robust. I am contractually forbidden from using Facebook, and would not want to be on that site anyway.

    I miss some of the old timers, but again I am grateful for all the work behind this site.

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    I found that a lot of the "personalities" departed when the Rocks on Top schism occurred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peakbagger View Post
    I found that a lot of the "personalities" departed when the Rocks on Top schism occurred.
    What was that?

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    Rocks On Top was a forum created by folks who objected to Darren's (the original creator and owner of the VFTT forum and long term moderator) moderation. The break centered around one particular controversial individuals action but I expect there were other issues that precipitated it I think they had both a public and private subforums. I think it had a smaller but active user group than VFTT. I think the original moderator Salty? decided to move on then a committee kept it functioning albeit at very low use until one day it just disappeared. Early on there were occasional sniping comments with respect to VFTT but eventually it seemed to cover many of the same topics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peakbagger View Post
    Rocks On Top was a forum created by folks who objected to Darren's (the original creator and owner of the VFTT forum and long term moderator) moderation. The break centered around one particular controversial individuals action but I expect there were other issues that precipitated it I think they had both a public and private subforums. I think it had a smaller but active user group than VFTT. I think the original moderator Salty? decided to move on then a committee kept it functioning albeit at very low use until one day it just disappeared. Early on there were occasional sniping comments with respect to VFTT but eventually it seemed to cover many of the same topics.
    In it early days (1997?) VFTT was like a family of like minded folks who loved hiking, running lists, and sharing their adventures and learning from each other. Grou trips to Baxter (summer & winter) six-packs, and even Rainer were organized and planned on the site.

    There were twice-yearly get-togethers dubbed "Gatherings" where hiking was the daytime goal and socialization and camaraderie the night. Awards were given (a pee bottle, a leather apron) and friendships were reinforced and solidified. Peakbagger made the spaghetti, Audrey the sauce and Bubba from NY the brownies. Eric and Freddie played acoustic and a house band took shape.

    As the family expanded and grew new members joined the core group. We met our drunken uncle, lecherous cousin, naughty aunt and nephew with a great business opportunity. In-fighting and disagreements became frequent and the Gatherings went bacchanal.

    In the meantime Darren was having serious knee trouble and could not hike as vigorously as he wanted to. That, combined with the erosion of civility and bonhomie signaled the end of VFTT Phase 1. In retrospect I guess it was inevitable. The rise of social media / FaceBook filled the vacuum.

    I presently belong to a few motorcycle-owner sites and they hearken back to the old VFTT. Lots of discussion, advice sought and provided, equipment reviewed and rides planned. It feels like a community of the like-minded motor-heads. But even there an oddball will need to be reigned in or banned now and then. Thank god for good moderators.

    So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.
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    I've met more people on Facebook, than on this site. Forums are too anonymous. At least Facebook one can see their profile and pics. The only person I know I've met on this site, in person, is Ward's girl. The rest of you, I may have run into once in a while on a summit or on a hike, but usually just a nod and a "how are you doing?" and we move on. I'm really surprised I haven't met peakbagger on his rambles, but I've never met Phil Werner of Sectionhiker fame, either. My GF met Phil one day at Galehead. They were carrying the same pack. I've met more than a few people from Whiteblaze, got a ride from Miss Janet in Grafton Notch, ran into Rainman and Teacher and Snacktime in Caratunk.

    I like this site. Its full of knowledgeable people. I don't even mind the strict moderation of politics. At least I know what I'm getting here. Facebook is repetitive with the same newbie questions, sometimes daily, ad nauseum.

    Covid is making me fat. Now that I've completed the NE67, I'm in the same lull I was last year when completing the NH48. Kinda drifting when it comes to hiking. I don't feel the need to hike in any more blizzards or hurricanes, don't feel like driving to a trailhead that's overun with loud talkers throwing their snotty tissues on the ground and not burying their poop. This year was weird. I'm becoming curmudgeonly. Not the charming type, either.

    I need to take a hike. After I lose 20 pounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by egilbe View Post
    Covid is making me fat. Now that I've completed the NE67, I'm in the same lull I was last year when completing the NH48. Kinda drifting when it comes to hiking. I don't feel the need to hike in any more blizzards or hurricanes, don't feel like driving to a trailhead that's overun with loud talkers throwing their snotty tissues on the ground and not burying their poop. This year was weird. I'm becoming curmudgeonly. Not the charming type, either.

    I need to take a hike. After I lose 20 pounds.
    You are PERFECTLY positioned to take on the 100 Highest!

    No more crowded trailheads, hiking rookies or snotty tissues. Maybe some orange tape here n there but that's it. And bushwhacking (even on a herd path) causes rapid weight loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisB View Post
    You are PERFECTLY positioned to take on the 100 Highest!

    No more crowded trailheads, hiking rookies or snotty tissues. Maybe some orange tape here n there but that's it. And bushwhacking (even on a herd path) causes rapid weight loss.
    Try googling 100 Highest and Curmudgeon at the same time. Just that somewhat synonymous results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skiguy View Post
    Try googling 100 Highest and Curmudgeon at the same time. Just that somewhat synonymous results.
    At one point, on paper, I had a funny list of "signs you are a peakbagger" and I'm pretty sure being grumpy was one of them. Long hours in the rain to reach a point you can check off and have a steely focus on the horizon as if you were looking for that next peak and walking funny of course after a weekend of hiking were on my list.

    So I looked up 10 signs you are a peakbagger can came across this list: (Peakbagger.com)
    Ten Signs you may be a Peakbagger
    You have continued to a summit beyond a reasonable turn-back point despite terrible weather, including white-outs.
    You keep a detailed log of all your climbs: peak name, date, weather, companions, etc.
    You have taken hiking or climbing trips where the travel time to and from the base of a mountain is greater than the time spend in climbing the mountain.
    You have made an effort to reach a spot in the lowlands that is completely undistinguishable except as the high point of something (for example, the highest point in Iowa)
    You have visited a tropical island and climbed it's highest peak without ever going swimming or visiting a beach while there.
    You see rock climbers on a sheer face and wonder why they bother, when there is a much easier way up on the other side.
    You have driven over 2000 miles in a single weekend in order to climb a peak or peaks.
    You have some familiarity with the concept of "prominence"/"shoulder drop"/"vertical rise above a col" and how it can be used to qualify a list of summits.
    After the top of a technical climb, you took time to scramble over and "tag the summit".

    BTW, the highest point in Bermuda is in a small grassy area up some stairs from one of the fancy hotels, The Fairmont, I believe. My favorite summit I have not visited but looked at and seems useless is Mt. Sunflower, highpoint in KS

    If you search, using Bing, "You Know you are a peakbagger" VFTT comes up 4th and 5th and the first FB hit is for something unrelated. Apparently Page, the Zuck and others at Google and FB are not Peakbaggers.

    As a bit of history, I did look up a friend over the summer from long ago who was part of the Rainer crew who stopped hiking after a tragic ski accident. He's exploring the underwater world and is on a scuba site like this, still using the name he had here. The water it would appear helps with some of his issues he had after the accident with mobility.

    Finally, in this time of socially distance and thinking of sites like VFTT and how FB has made Bulletin boards passť, I give you a chance to meet our down under brethren: https://bushwalk.com/forum/viewforum.php

    It looks almost like the same software (I'm at best a dopey user) and the same topics albeit in their locale. I found it looking up peakbagging.

    Happy Holidays all
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    I wrote a Trip Report a part of an experiment spurred on by this thread. I remember all of the things now that vBulletin does poorly that Facebook excels at.

    - Uploads - winner, Facebook - select 21 photos and post to an album. I don't want the photo storage service to expire, so I had better upload them to vftt. vBulletin - upload 1 photo at a time. Oops, limit of n (10, I can change this) reached. Oh, I need to resize them to fit nicely in the vBulletin text frame. Oh, I need to convert the inline attachments to IMG tags to display them inline...

    - Visibility - winner, Facebook - I can control who sees what. vBulletin is open to readers from anywhere, any time. Granted, Facebook is probably using my data way more than any public consumer of my vBulletin posts, but I can control who in the public sees my pictures.

    - Tagging - winner, Facebook - automatically suggest and is usually correct the location the photos were taken. vBulletin - I have to search for tags created by who knows who and when and probably create my own. Facebook automatically identifies most of my friends. vBulletin, I don't know most of your real names.

    - Searching - winner, Facebook - can search by post, by photo, by tagged people. vBulletin, kinda search works. Usually resort to google with +site:www.vftt.org.

    - Commenting - winner, Facebook - can comment right on the post, the album, individual photos, etc. vBulletin, you can reply, but you have to quote, and then to not reproduce the entire post, edit the quote...

    - News Feed - winner vBulletin! Yes, vBulletin remembers what you've read and presents the unread stuff in chronological order. Facebook presents stuff in the the order which is to maximize your eyeballs remaining on their site and consuming ads. Granted Facebook has notifications, but I have them off on my phone and only look at them on the web and only for comments.

    I spend, on average, 30-60 minutes writing a TR for vBulletin and 3-5 minutes sorting pictures and writing a description for the album for Facebook and my phone and Facebook do the rest. It's not hard to see why Facebook will win every time.

    That said, vftt still exists largely because the average experience level is far above most. That's why it is hard to become a member - many find that barrier too daunting (a DayTrip said, and I appreciate that he plunged right through it!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike P. View Post
    Ten Signs you may be a Peakbagger
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    You have visited a tropical island and climbed it's highest peak without ever going swimming or visiting a beach while there.
    This one made me chuckle, as I certainly have been guilty of doing this (perhaps less the assertion that I haven't been swimming): https://www.vftt.org/forums/showthre...-Obama-4-17-17

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    Alligator Eggs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hillwalker View Post
    Alligator Eggs?
    You were my sponsor

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    Snicker Bars were also supposed to be the secret token passed between members. McRat also did the Ice Cream Bar variation one day on Franklin (but was down to only one left after handing them out as random acts of foolishness).

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikehikeskifish View Post
    You were my sponsor

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    Yes I remember. I think we met one day When I was coming down the Osseo Trail, and you were ascending.

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