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    North Woods Law of lost Pemi Loop Hiker

    I just recently saw the season premier (thank you DVR...) of the show, and it was a 2 hour episode largely focusing on the SAR of the guy attempting the Pemi Loop who was lost for something like 4 days. It is a great, relatively in-depth look at the methods used and efforts made to find this guy, including a couple of F&G guys searching one of the drainages adjacent to the Bondcliff trail, and another couple of guys checking out the Bondcliff area from below, coming up from Franconia Brook to what appeared to be the Bondcliff-Bond col. The National Guard chopper was also used to land SAR personnel, including on Guyot. A lot of details I didn't know about (including the search was on the verge of being called off).

    While I was watching I was looking at one of the Pemi SAR members. Ah yes, that is indeed Steve Smith. :-)

    This would be Season 14, Episode 1, "Running Out of Time," which can be viewed at the link below, though you'll need to sign in with your TV provider to watch it. Probably the best episode I've seen of this series.

    https://www.animalplanet.com/tv-show...ng-out-of-time

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    Thanks, but too many ads for me.

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    Click bait for those of us who eschew TV

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hillwalker View Post
    Click bait for those of us who eschew TV
    I just read about this rescue in Appalachia Journal Accidents section. Some interesting facts:

    Victim attempting the one-day, 31-mile Pemi Traverse was 70 years old
    He became adrift in time for the better part of 3 days. He still can't account for that period.
    Sightings by other hikers pegged his location around the Bonds and led to his rescue
    He was found near a stream but was severely dehydrated
    Nobody told me there'd be days like these
    Strange days indeed -- most peculiar, mama
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    Sorry folks, but that's the only way I could pass along the episode.

    Incident was discussed previously here.
    https://www.vftt.org/forums/showthre...ason-Continues

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salty View Post
    Sorry folks, but that's the only way I could pass along the episode.

    Incident was discussed previously here.
    https://www.vftt.org/forums/showthre...ason-Continues
    Wouldn’t won’t you to loose your credibility here. You owe me one.. https://youtu.be/tbDalYs0ljo
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    Did they take those ATVs over Franconia Brook and into the Pemi Wilderness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikehikeskifish View Post
    Did they take those ATVs over Franconia Brook and into the Pemi Wilderness?

    Tim
    I ran into a FS employee on the way out after a trip back there who was very curious about if we saw their tracks. They weren't exactly happy about them going past the W boundary. I didn't think rescues were an exception to the rule? Anyone know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiguy View Post
    Wouldn’t won’t you to loose your credibility here. You owe me one.. https://youtu.be/tbDalYs0ljo
    Rock and roll skiguy. Thanks. Though I probably don't carry a lot of cred here.

    Quote Originally Posted by bikehikeskifish View Post
    Did they take those ATVs over Franconia Brook and into the Pemi Wilderness?
    Yep, I caught that. I noticed the sign was kinda hidden each time they went up past the bridge, but it looks like they took them all the way to the Bondcliff Trail (Camp 16). I guess in case of emergency, it's allowed, which though as surprised as I was, it does make sense to me. Must have been a bumpy as hell ride though. :-)

    One rather disturbing thing I caught was the two women coming from the abandoned section of trail from the Black Brook Trestle, one of which had a shovel. They had no other trail maintenance tools visible (one appeared to have a notebook). Why would you be carrying a shovel on a no longer maintained trail anyways instead of leaving it if you're going to check out the trestle? It's hard for me to not imagine they were digging around Camp 16, which is highly illegal and unethical, but I suppose there could be a less nefarious reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshandBaron View Post
    I ran into a FS employee on the way out after a trip back there who was very curious about if we saw their tracks. They weren't exactly happy about them going past the W boundary. I didn't think rescues were an exception to the rule? Anyone know?
    Just looked this up - the answer is yes, there can be authorized exceptions including lost or injured persons.
    https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE...eprd725204.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salty View Post
    Rock and roll skiguy. Thanks. Though I probably don't carry a lot of cred here.



    Yep, I caught that. I noticed the sign was kinda hidden each time they went up past the bridge, but it looks like they took them all the way to the Bondcliff Trail (Camp 16). I guess in case of emergency, it's allowed, which though as surprised as I was, it does make sense to me. Must have been a bumpy as hell ride though. :-)

    One rather disturbing thing I caught was the two women coming from the abandoned section of trail from the Black Brook Trestle, one of which had a shovel. They had no other trail maintenance tools visible (one appeared to have a notebook). Why would you be carrying a shovel on a no longer maintained trail anyways instead of leaving it if you're going to check out the trestle? It's hard for me to not imagine they were digging around Camp 16, which is highly illegal and unethical, but I suppose there could be a less nefarious reason.

    It's a popular illegal campsite. The only tool I've seen FS people on camp patrol carry is a shovel, presumably for dealing with campfires. Do all of the backcountry stewards wear FS shirts or just the volunteers that choose to pay for them?

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    Personally, I think that guy is lying about being lost in the Pemi for 3 days.

    In a TV News interview the week after being found, he was asked about future plans. He said something like: "I wouldn't be tacking those out for a while." and pointed to a pair of work boots that looked like Timberlands to me. No way did he attempt a single-day Pemi Loop in work boots. His feet would be shredded. He's lying. Cheating on his wife is my guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimball View Post
    Cheating on his wife is my guess.
    Nonsense. You should be ashamed of making up wild stories.

    He was abducted by the space aliens common to that area (they're fascinated by the disappearing bridge) and he's embarrassed about the anal probing; that's my guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimball View Post
    Personally, I think that guy is lying about being lost in the Pemi for 3 days.
    Or just not quite "all there" in the head.

    I've not seen notice anywhere about whether a decision was made to bill him for the rescue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshandBaron View Post
    It's a popular illegal campsite. The only tool I've seen FS people on camp patrol carry is a shovel, presumably for dealing with campfires. Do all of the backcountry stewards wear FS shirts or just the volunteers that choose to pay for them?
    I was hoping there might be a reasonable explanation. Thanks. Can only say I didn't get a shirt for trail maintenance on a USFS trail.

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