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    Quote Originally Posted by egilbe View Post
    Still no science. Still waiting on the science, you know, the hard data, with a control group, double blind studies, anything at all. Beullar? Beullar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldEric View Post
    I usually give more credibility to those who can correctly spell their “hip” references
    Give the guy a break. It was supposed to be a “Day Off” already.
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    Sadly, this forum has been host to a number of anti-science postings of late. Sadly, there is a correlation between those who deny the truth and the inability to spell.

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    I haven't seen any science to discredit.

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    Happy to wear these, but somehow a mask is too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B the Hiker View Post
    Sadly, this forum has been host to a number of anti-science postings of late. Sadly, there is a correlation between those who deny the truth and the inability to spell.
    I take pride in my spelling 🙂

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    Agreeing with the comment that this is supposed to be a hiking board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocket21 View Post
    In other words, they were lying to us then, but we can trust what they say now?
    No, they did not know how this spreads much more aggressively than they thought. (They only had flu data to base their initial calculations.)

    By all means, those who don't believe in science should attend huge Christmas parties, New Year's Eve bachelor parties and weddings. NYE should be a big event in new places this year as Time's Square unlikely to be going on this year. Here is a list of other locations.

    https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/n...ons/index.html

    I would expect Florida, GA, ID, AL events to be well attended with few of those pesky masks getting in the way of gratuitous consumption of beverages. People should feel free to play Russian Roulette with a virus in huge crowds. My family, including my elderly parents are unlikely to come into contact with any of your friends or family members. People enjoying big parties is a great way to help reduce crowded trails next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike P. View Post
    No, they did not know how this spreads much more aggressively than they thought. (They only had flu data to base their initial calculations.)

    By all means, those who don't believe in science should attend huge Christmas parties, New Year's Eve bachelor parties and weddings. NYE should be a big event in new places this year as Time's Square unlikely to be going on this year. Here is a list of other locations.

    https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/n...ons/index.html

    I would expect Florida, GA, ID, AL events to be well attended with few of those pesky masks getting in the way of gratuitous consumption of beverages. People should feel free to play Russian Roulette with a virus in huge crowds. My family, including my elderly parents are unlikely to come into contact with any of your friends or family members. People enjoying big parties is a great way to help reduce crowded trails next year.
    Initially health officials downplayed the importance of masks in order to prevent hoarding and shortages that would prevent health care workers from being able to obtain them. This is an excerpt from the NYT back in March:

    When news of a mysterious viral pneumonia linked to a market in Wuhan, China, reached the outside world in early January, one of my first reactions was to order a modest supply of masks. Just a few weeks later, there wasn’t a mask to be bought in stores, or online for a reasonable price — just widespread price gouging. Many health experts, no doubt motivated by the sensible and urgent aim of preserving the remaining masks for health care workers, started telling people that they didn’t need masks or that they wouldn’t know how to wear them.

    link to complete article: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/o...ace-masks.html

    And, please stop with the "people who don't want to follow science". Many question the science (and the motive) with a healthy dose of skepticism. That used to be valued in the scientific community. To paraphrase Michael Chrichton: "you never hear anybody say that the scientific consensus is that F=ma or that E=IR or that gravitational force is inversely proportional to the distance". That's because the science is really settled, not still being formulated.

    And to keep this post related to hiking, I don't wear a mask while hiking because I never get within 6 feet of another hiker
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    Did my usual workout of several laps up and down the Mount Agamenticus road in York Maine this afternoon (1.3 m round trip and 350 vert per lap).

    Lots of folks out and about, most wearing masks, others not. The unmasked we respectful and deferential to the masked, and everyone tried to maintain respectful distance while saying hello and enjoying the beautiful day.. No spitting, yelling or ugliness. It was nice to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike P. View Post
    I would expect Florida, GA, ID, AL events to be well attended with few of those pesky masks getting in the way of gratuitous consumption of beverages.
    The "science" says they don't need to wear masks while consuming those beverages as long as they are seated and have purchased food.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisB View Post
    Did my usual workout of several laps up and down the Mount Agamenticus road in York Maine this afternoon (1.3 m round trip and 350 vert per lap).

    Lots of folks out and about, most wearing masks, others not. The unmasked we respectful and deferential to the masked, and everyone tried to maintain respectful distance while saying hello and enjoying the beautiful day.. No spitting, yelling or ugliness. It was nice to see.

    Maine, the way life should be!!
    Ever hike the trails in the Kittery and York water districts? One of the entrances is just down the road from the base of Agamenticus Road.
    Last edited by maineguy; 11-29-2020 at 10:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocket21 View Post
    The "science" says they don't need to wear masks while consuming those beverages as long as they are seated and have purchased food.
    I think even the biggest simpleton roaming the earth can comprehend that many of these rules are based in the reality that the appropriate decisions to make based on the science involved with COVID would result in decisions that would lead to the complete and total destruction of the global economy. Science is science. It doesn't know or care that shutting a restaurant will cost waiters and waitresses jobs. It just knows that people avoiding contact with each other prevents spread of an infectious disease. That is simply a fact, based in science. That leaves politicians in the untenable position of deciding what science we want to choose to ignore, when we ignore it and for how long we ignore it so that we can somehow balance death and illness with economic survival. The science of the situation and consequences of action or inaction are at polar opposites with COVID. Actions that are beneficial to one side of this equation harm the other side and vice versa.

    Your constant reference to all of the rules and decisions being put into place as "science" is thoroughly disingenuous and insulting to the people on this forum. If you want to criticize the arbitrary nature, stupidity, politicization of and overall nonsense of many of the types of rules being implemented than by all means have at it. That is a topic well worth the debate. But please stop characterizing that as "science" because it is not.
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    I think people look at the information directly in front of them and make decisions accordingly. This is why it's sometimes difficult to convince people of some phenomenon or another (global climate change, challenge of NH mountains in winter, whatever) if they haven't personally experienced that phenomenon. That's human nature.

    With that in mind, and having heard a few people here say they didn't know anyone yet who had gotten this, I'm sharing my second-hand experience with COVID so far. I have not had it (to my knowledge), but I know at least a couple dozen people who have, and of those I know about a dozen very well - people I speak with at least monthly. Here is a rough picture:
    I know 2 people in their 70's, husband and wife, both formerly quite healthy. They've been laid up for about a month now. First it was the standard symptoms (loss of taste and smell, then fever and major body aches), then nausea, extreme fatigue. The husband seems to be slowly recovering, while the wife now has no appetite and has developed a serious wheeze and cough and is now taking 4 prescription meds to try to control these symptoms. It is expected this will persist for a long time.
    I know 3 people in their 50's. Two said it was as sick as they've ever been, but appear to have fully recovered. In spite of the fact that they're likely immune at this point, they continue to mask and social distance because they don't want to take any chances at all with being re-infected. One person has been asymptomatic (I wonder if this was a false-positive - no one else in his household ever tested positive).
    I know 2 people in their forties, husband and wife, among the fittest people I've ever known (husband was competitive IronMan, sub-16 5k in college, still bangs out sub-18s seemingly at will, wife has run several ultras). Wife lost taste and smell, felt terrible, recovered seemingly completely after about 3 weeks. Husband is about 4 weeks in now, still no taste or smell, extreme fatigue, and continued mental fog, which is impacting his ability to work.
    I know 3 people in their 30's. Loss of taste and smell, two of them (women) have experienced serious cardiac issues - one has clotting blood and has been to hospital several times for possible pulmonary embolism. The other continues to have alarmingly high blood pressure. These are not overweight women. I'm actually quite concerned about these two as we speak.

    My brother-in-law works at Boston Children's Hospital in IT. They're currently modeling the expected surge in post-COVID morbidity to try and prepare as best they can. These morbidities include cardiac and neurological complications.

    Those are just the people I know well. People from MA and NH. I'm sharing only to provide some perspective for people who are lucky enough to have not yet closely experienced this illness. I personally don't want to get this, especially now that a vaccine is very likely on the relatively near horizon (subject to interpretation of the word 'near'). The odds of me dying (at age 44) are very low, but the odds of significant mid- and long-term impacts are higher than I'd like. Something to consider if you value cardiac-intensive activities, like hiking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maineguy View Post
    Ever hike the trails in the Kittery and York water districts? One of the entrances is just down the road from the base of Agamenticus Road.
    I have not. I use the Mount A road as an alternative to my pre-Covid gym workouts on an elliptical machine, which I really miss.

    Three or four laps up Mount A give a good cardio workout and calorie burn I can't get on the flats. I walk the shoulder not the pavement cause it's more difficult and simulates hiking better And at the top I often spy Mt. Washington on the northern horizon. Fun!

    Stay well.
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