“Is there ever a point where freedom of choice and personal accountability needs to be restrained in some manner for a greater good”? No…This thread is sounding like a broken record my self deemed guilty as a contributor. I’m pretty sure everyone here knows where the other stands….at least the regulars here. Bottom line for me is that a real climber/ hiker is self reliant. They do not need some stinkin sign to tell them what to do. If Joey bag of donuts can’t make sense of the situation then so be it. Those folks are beyond help to begin with. Your not going to fix stupid with some sort of Q code or flashing lights. Sorry to sound so crass but these situations are going to occur.