I hate bushwhacking and won't ever finish the NEHH. I attempted Scar Ridge and Vose Spur and found both so miserable I aborted both hikes. Just wanted to share that with the group. However, I *am* enjoying this thread.
What I don’t understand is the ill feeling towards the list keepers who spent a lot of time and effort developing their own lists and are wary of passing them out to everyone who asks for them. There is no law that says all lists shall be shared. Especially if the public posting of said lists is the end result. There is also no law that says someone without the list can’t develop their own lists by studying the topo’s as it was done in the old days, but then again, everyone likes a shortcut.
Let's see what happens to these peaks with all this new awereness and then you heroes tell me if the drama is over.I think this thread illustrates why it is so great that Ed, Bryan, and Eric made the lists available - so that folks can view the lists and hike the peaks without having to get involved in any of the drama.
In the interest of transparency…
In fact, Ed himself received a copy of an updated NH300 list last year so he’s had the list for a while. Ed has also passed this same list along to many of his web site insiders, and also several members of VFTT. Bryan himself received a copy of an older list.
Classy.Let's see what happens to these peaks with all this new awereness and then you heroes tell me if the drama is over.
I would say that anyone who make their own list from maps rather than copying lists is an "original developer", there may be a dozen or more for the NH300. As to the oldest NH300 list, Gene Daniell made a list of every peak in NH in the early 1970s so even if you want to claim making the first NH1000 list you are 40 years too late What JRP can claim is to be the first to actually hike his list.The original developer of the list back in the ‘90’s spent a lot of time studying topo’s coming up with his list.
I would say Bryan's list varies by over 10 peaks from some others with stringent criteria, perhaps that is a "handful" out of 300All the lists vary by a handful or less of peaks.
I'm less sure of that which I why I started this ruckus, Ed had promised only to "footnote" changes. If he wants a correct list, why not publish a better list to begin with?I’m sure the 48x12 version of the NH300 list will be reviewed thoroughly, compared to the current existing versions, and republished with a more accurate list based upon the most current versions.
I have never objected to posting a correct list, only to posting one riddled with errors when more correct ones were available. I helped a guy make a list of all peaks in NH with 300' cols which he sold to Google, they apparently never published it directly as they're not into peak listsAs far as I’m concerned, this whole NH200-NH300 list issue is much ado about nothing with the exception of the posting the list on the Internet when being asked not too.
I have question in which this seems to be the perfect place to ask. What is the most common list people use for the nh100? I have for six years been working on one which has for example #4clay #5 boot spur #12 slide peak #21 guyot #23 north carter #61 thru 100 has some obscure ones like #68 davis and #72 terrace. It might be related to some dude name Mark Malnati? I really am wondering who decides what list for the nh100 gets you a patch? I would love to get that patch someday.
Thanks for posting the list Bryan!! Hard to believe anyone would keep a silly list from another person. Why compile a list only to horde it. Cracks me up!
Many hikers seem averse to bushwhacking. Witness the endless discussions about Owl's Head.
But once people learn that a herd path has developed on Mt. What-cha-ma-call-it, off they go!
Maybe that is where some of the reticence to share lists comes from.
I but I was the one who scribbled out the entry on Dartmouth. The contents of the message I scribbled out were obscene enough that I wouldn't be able to post them here without getting in trouble with the moderators.
I don't know what the status is of it now, but it sounds like it could be the YMCA list? If I recall, there was a 100 peak YMCA Alpine list on the old Rocks on Top peakbagging checklist section years ago.I have question in which this seems to be the perfect place to ask. What is the most common list people use for the nh100? I have for six years been working on one which has for example #4clay #5 boot spur #12 slide peak #21 guyot #23 north carter #61 thru 100 has some obscure ones like #68 davis and #72 terrace. It might be related to some dude name Mark Malnati? I really am wondering who decides what list for the nh100 gets you a patch?
I would venture that the single F word written in that entry on a piece of paper to be seen by perhaps 2 or 3 people a year is not the doom to world sensibilities you fear it may be, especially considering 5 minutes of HBO or Cinemax programming is considerably much worse.
The entry I scribbled out wasn't just a simple F-bomb. The person I hiked that peak with, who was somewhat new to the whole canister scene, was shocked by what they read and came away from that hike with a much different view of some of the modern bushwhacking community. A wise man I know refers to this recent trend as 'bathroom notes.'
I took a photo of it as well and that's not quite what it says. Those who have had folks Down's Syndrome in their lives would not have appreciated the variation of the F word used. Unfortunately it's just a sample of the canister filth and backchannel communication (unfortunately, just like high school, it gets around) that has given some of the bushwhacking community a bad name in recent years. Fortunately there are quite a few people out there who are removing the bathroom note entries. Interestingly, others have taken to removing entire canisters because they weren't placed by their clique.Well, I happen to have a picture of the offending entry courtesy of my friend Greg. In it's totality it says: