$$$ ???rocket21 said:Still can't figure out why they'd be operating with 75 mph gusts
rocket21 said:Still can't figure out why they'd be operating with 75 mph gusts
As Tim said, in most cases the answer is No. Just because the land is leased from the USFS doesn't mean that it is open to the general public at all times. The ski area operators often retain the right to control access; it depends on the way their lease was written. Some areas, like Wildcat, are much more open to hikers. Others, like Cannon (which is on state land) are most assuredly not.TDawg said:Question: Since I didn't use their lift, and was on National Forest land, could I have technically told him "I'm a hiker, "F" off (but in nicer words of course") and plodded on to the top without further issues? It was before (during?) their sweep of the mountain.
bikehikeskifish said:FS land leased to Loon Mtn, who then get to make rules. Typically ski areas do not allow hikers on groomed trails. WV does not require a trail pass for Tripoli or Livermore Roads as they are access roads to non-leased, National Forest land.
Might find legal rules here: http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XIX/225-A/225-A-mrg.htm
Here's the excerpt I think you care about:
225-A:24
V. No skier, passenger or other person shall:
(d) Ski or otherwise use a slope or trail which has been designated ""closed'' by the operator without written permission of said operator or designee.
Tim
David Metsky said:Others, like Cannon (which is on state land) are most assuredly not.
This is simply not true. It all depends on the language of the use permit for that particular ski area.DrewKnight said:In theory, it's NF land and open to all,
DrewKnight said:I, too, have heard the "f-off" theory espoused, including by folks who work for special-permit holders (can't be too specific, of course, to protect the innocent).
In theory, it's NF land and open to all, and I have heard legends of locals driving up the haul road at local mountains completely unmolested in the off-season. At Waterville, there are several folks who routinely snowshoe up open trails (mid-week), and, rumor has it, download on the chair ticket-free. No one raises an eyebrow, I am told, but it may be that they are known commodities.
In the end, it probably boils down to who you run into and how much of a control freak they are, what kind of day they are having, etc. Sounds like your ski patroller was pretty determined, probably having a bad day, and maybe even sincerely concerned for your well-being. I guess I wouldn't have tested his resolve, or the (probably high) willingness of the Lincoln Police to back him up, however questionable the legal position.
David Metsky said:This is simply not true. It all depends on the language of the use permit for that particular ski area.
David Metsky said:As Tim said, in most cases the answer is No. Just because the land is leased from the USFS doesn't mean that it is open to the general public at all times. The ski area operators often retain the right to control access; it depends on the way their lease was written. Some areas, like Wildcat, are much more open to hikers. Others, like Cannon (which is on state land) are most assuredly not.
It makes perfect sense to me. The gash was cut mainly for skiers to access from the lift at Jay. That would be 95% of the traffic down it so stopping that was the first goal. The supposedly pristine area around Big Jay has had some major cutting/thinning before the gash, there was an illegal cabin built back there, and several other transgressions. As the GMC guy said, this was the third strike.Pete S said:The 1500 acre Big Jay Tract can not be accessed coming or going from the ski area.
It does not make much sense to me either......
David Metsky said:This is simply not true. It all depends on the language of the use permit for that particular ski area.
My mother has a bad knee and finds going down harder than going up. She has gotten free rides down at Mad River Glen, Cannon, and Wildcat after snowshoeing up, Cannon at least requires a ticket to ride down in summer but apparently not in winter.skibones said:I doubt the mt would let anyone ride down if they didn't have a pass--too much liability!
RoySwkr said:She has gotten free rides down at Mad River Glen, Cannon, and Wildcat after snowshoeing up, Cannon at least requires a ticket to ride down in summer but apparently not in winter.
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