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Alpine Airplane wrecks
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Wreck on Kaaterskill high peak
NTSB page..
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001213X31297&key=1NTSB
Summary
Identification: NYC87FA188 .
The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number 38256.
Nonscheduled 14 CFR Part 135: Air Taxi & Commuter
Accident occurred Thursday, June 25, 1987 in TANNERSVILLE, NY
Probable Cause Approval Date: 9/1/1989
Aircraft: PIPER PA-32R-300, registration: N7146C
Injuries: 2 Fatal.
WHILE ON A VFR AIR TAXI CARGO FLIGHT, THE AIRCRAFT COLLIDED WITH TREES ON THE EAST SIDE OF HIGH PEAK MOUNTAIN, ELEVATION 3,655 FEET. THE ACCIDENT SITE ELEVATION WAS 3080 FEET. A WITNESS SAID IT WAS HEAVY OVERCAST, NOT RAINING AND THE CLOUDS WERE NOT BELOW THE MOUNTAIN TOPS. THE INVESTIGATION REVEALED THAT THE MOON WAS BELOW THE HORIZON, SUNSET AND CIVIL TWILIGHT WERE AT 2038 AND 2113, RESPECTIVELY, AND CLOUDS 3000 TO 5000 FEET SCATTERED, 10,000 TO 12,000 FEET SCATTERED, LAYERS OCCASIONALLY BROKEN. EXAM OF THE WRECKAGE DID NOT DISCLOSE ANY PRE-EXISTING MALFUNCTIONS OR FAILURES.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
VISUAL LOOKOUT..INADEQUATE..PILOT IN COMMAND
IN-FLIGHT PLANNING/DECISION..IMPROPER..PILOT IN COMMAND
Contributing Factors
TERRAIN CONDITION..HIGH TERRAIN
WEATHER CONDITION..CLOUDS
LIGHT CONDITION..DARK NIGHT
VFR PROCEDURES..POOR..PILOT IN COMMAND
NTSB page..
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001213X31297&key=1NTSB
Summary
Identification: NYC87FA188 .
The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number 38256.
Nonscheduled 14 CFR Part 135: Air Taxi & Commuter
Accident occurred Thursday, June 25, 1987 in TANNERSVILLE, NY
Probable Cause Approval Date: 9/1/1989
Aircraft: PIPER PA-32R-300, registration: N7146C
Injuries: 2 Fatal.
WHILE ON A VFR AIR TAXI CARGO FLIGHT, THE AIRCRAFT COLLIDED WITH TREES ON THE EAST SIDE OF HIGH PEAK MOUNTAIN, ELEVATION 3,655 FEET. THE ACCIDENT SITE ELEVATION WAS 3080 FEET. A WITNESS SAID IT WAS HEAVY OVERCAST, NOT RAINING AND THE CLOUDS WERE NOT BELOW THE MOUNTAIN TOPS. THE INVESTIGATION REVEALED THAT THE MOON WAS BELOW THE HORIZON, SUNSET AND CIVIL TWILIGHT WERE AT 2038 AND 2113, RESPECTIVELY, AND CLOUDS 3000 TO 5000 FEET SCATTERED, 10,000 TO 12,000 FEET SCATTERED, LAYERS OCCASIONALLY BROKEN. EXAM OF THE WRECKAGE DID NOT DISCLOSE ANY PRE-EXISTING MALFUNCTIONS OR FAILURES.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
VISUAL LOOKOUT..INADEQUATE..PILOT IN COMMAND
IN-FLIGHT PLANNING/DECISION..IMPROPER..PILOT IN COMMAND
Contributing Factors
TERRAIN CONDITION..HIGH TERRAIN
WEATHER CONDITION..CLOUDS
LIGHT CONDITION..DARK NIGHT
VFR PROCEDURES..POOR..PILOT IN COMMAND
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Wreck on Santanoni Mt.
NTSB Identification: NYC84FA247 .
The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number 26700.
Nonscheduled 14 CFR Part 135: Air Taxi & Commuter
Accident occurred Monday, July 16, 1984 in NEWCOMB, NY
Aircraft: PIPER PA-34-220T, registration: N8345A
Injuries: 2 Fatal.
THE FLIGHT WAS OPERATING IN ACCORDANCE WITH F.A.R. PART 135.THE PLT FILED A VFR FLT PLAN AND WAS CRUISING AT AN ALTITUDE OF 5,500 FT WHEN CLOUDS WERE ENCOUNTERED. THE PLT ATTEMPTED TO DESCEND TO 3,500 BUT COLLIDED WITH THE SANTANONIMOUNTAIN AT AN ELEVATION OF 3500 FT. THE MOUNTAIN IS 4607 FT HIGH.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
PREFLIGHT PLANNING/PREPARATION..INADEQUATE..PILOT IN COMMAND
IN-FLIGHT PLANNING/DECISION..IMPROPER..PILOT IN COMMAND
VFR PROCEDURES..IMPROPER..PILOT IN COMMAND
CLEARANCE..NOT MAINTAINED..PILOT IN COMMAND
DESCENT..PERFORMED..PILOT IN COMMAND
ALTITUDE..IMPROPER..PILOT IN COMMAND
Contributing Factors
VISUAL LOOKOUT..NOT POSSIBLE..PILOT IN COMMAND
NTSB Identification: NYC84FA247 .
The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number 26700.
Nonscheduled 14 CFR Part 135: Air Taxi & Commuter
Accident occurred Monday, July 16, 1984 in NEWCOMB, NY
Aircraft: PIPER PA-34-220T, registration: N8345A
Injuries: 2 Fatal.
THE FLIGHT WAS OPERATING IN ACCORDANCE WITH F.A.R. PART 135.THE PLT FILED A VFR FLT PLAN AND WAS CRUISING AT AN ALTITUDE OF 5,500 FT WHEN CLOUDS WERE ENCOUNTERED. THE PLT ATTEMPTED TO DESCEND TO 3,500 BUT COLLIDED WITH THE SANTANONIMOUNTAIN AT AN ELEVATION OF 3500 FT. THE MOUNTAIN IS 4607 FT HIGH.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
PREFLIGHT PLANNING/PREPARATION..INADEQUATE..PILOT IN COMMAND
IN-FLIGHT PLANNING/DECISION..IMPROPER..PILOT IN COMMAND
VFR PROCEDURES..IMPROPER..PILOT IN COMMAND
CLEARANCE..NOT MAINTAINED..PILOT IN COMMAND
DESCENT..PERFORMED..PILOT IN COMMAND
ALTITUDE..IMPROPER..PILOT IN COMMAND
Contributing Factors
VISUAL LOOKOUT..NOT POSSIBLE..PILOT IN COMMAND
Jay H
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Perhaps I should post mine here, rather than in the Van Wyck thread too:
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Catskill Escarpment below the trail
This one hit blackhead Mt. I am thinking, East of the Acra, Burnt Knob ridge tha intersects the range.
NTSB Identification: NYC90FA039 .
The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number 42191.
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Friday, December 15, 1989 in CAIRO TOWNSHIP, NY
Probable Cause Approval Date: 7/22/1992
Aircraft: PIPER PA-31-350, registration: N45CH
Injuries: 6 Fatal.
DURING A PRE-FLIGHT WEATHER BRIEFING, THE INSTRUMENT RATED PILOT WAS TOLD BY THE AFSS SPECIALIST THAT MARGINAL VFR AND IFR CONDIITONS WOULD PREVAIL ALONG THE ROUTE OF FLIGHT. THE PILOT DID NOT FILE A FLIGHT PLAN. THE AIRPLANE WAS LAST DEPICTED ON RADAR AT 2500 FEET MSL AND HEADING TOWARDS HIGH TERRAIN. A NY STATE TROOPER LEAVING HIS OFFICE ABOUT THE TIME THE ACCIDENT OCCURRED STATED SNOW WAS FALLING VERY HARD AND VISIBILITY WAS LOW. THE STATE TROOPER'S OFFICE WAS ABOUT 5 MILES FROM THE CRASH SITE. THE AIRPLANE HIT A 3400 FOOT MOUNTAIN AT AN ELEVATION OF 2500 FEET. THE AIRPLANE WAS MISSING 4 DAYS AND WAS FOUND BY THE CREW OF A NY STATE POLICE HELICOPTER.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
THE PILOT'S DECISION TO FLY INTO THE KNOWN ADVERSE WEATHER AND HIS FAILURE TO SELECT AN ALTITUDE THAT WOULD PROVIDE TERRAIN CLEARANCE. FACTORS WERE: THE ADVERSE WEATHER AND THE PILOT'S DISREGARD FOR THE FORECASTED CONDITIONS.
This one hit blackhead Mt. I am thinking, East of the Acra, Burnt Knob ridge tha intersects the range.
NTSB Identification: NYC90FA039 .
The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number 42191.
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Friday, December 15, 1989 in CAIRO TOWNSHIP, NY
Probable Cause Approval Date: 7/22/1992
Aircraft: PIPER PA-31-350, registration: N45CH
Injuries: 6 Fatal.
DURING A PRE-FLIGHT WEATHER BRIEFING, THE INSTRUMENT RATED PILOT WAS TOLD BY THE AFSS SPECIALIST THAT MARGINAL VFR AND IFR CONDIITONS WOULD PREVAIL ALONG THE ROUTE OF FLIGHT. THE PILOT DID NOT FILE A FLIGHT PLAN. THE AIRPLANE WAS LAST DEPICTED ON RADAR AT 2500 FEET MSL AND HEADING TOWARDS HIGH TERRAIN. A NY STATE TROOPER LEAVING HIS OFFICE ABOUT THE TIME THE ACCIDENT OCCURRED STATED SNOW WAS FALLING VERY HARD AND VISIBILITY WAS LOW. THE STATE TROOPER'S OFFICE WAS ABOUT 5 MILES FROM THE CRASH SITE. THE AIRPLANE HIT A 3400 FOOT MOUNTAIN AT AN ELEVATION OF 2500 FEET. THE AIRPLANE WAS MISSING 4 DAYS AND WAS FOUND BY THE CREW OF A NY STATE POLICE HELICOPTER.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
THE PILOT'S DECISION TO FLY INTO THE KNOWN ADVERSE WEATHER AND HIS FAILURE TO SELECT AN ALTITUDE THAT WOULD PROVIDE TERRAIN CLEARANCE. FACTORS WERE: THE ADVERSE WEATHER AND THE PILOT'S DISREGARD FOR THE FORECASTED CONDITIONS.
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Crash on Lyon Mt.
NTSB Identification: NYC89FA080 .
The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number 38813.
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Friday, February 10, 1989 in LYON MOUNTAIN, NY
Probable Cause Approval Date: 8/26/1992
Aircraft: BELLANCA 7GCBC, registration: CGBHN
Injuries: 1 Fatal.
THE PLT OF A BELLANCA 7GCBC WAS ON FERRY FLIGHT, WHEN HE FLEW INTO A SNOW STORM. THE AIRCRAFT WAS SEEN CIRCLING AT A LOW ALTITUDE AND THEN WAS SEEN HEADING TOWARDS HIGH TERRAIN AT A LOW ALTITUDE. THE AIRCRAFT IMPACTED INTO THE SIDE OF A 4100 FOOT MOUNTAIN AT AN ELEVATION OF 2900 FEET.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
THE PILOT DECIDED TO FLY IN WEATHER CONDITIONS THAT WERE BEYOND HIS AND THE AIRCRAFT'S CAPABILITIES.
NTSB Identification: NYC89FA080 .
The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number 38813.
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Friday, February 10, 1989 in LYON MOUNTAIN, NY
Probable Cause Approval Date: 8/26/1992
Aircraft: BELLANCA 7GCBC, registration: CGBHN
Injuries: 1 Fatal.
THE PLT OF A BELLANCA 7GCBC WAS ON FERRY FLIGHT, WHEN HE FLEW INTO A SNOW STORM. THE AIRCRAFT WAS SEEN CIRCLING AT A LOW ALTITUDE AND THEN WAS SEEN HEADING TOWARDS HIGH TERRAIN AT A LOW ALTITUDE. THE AIRCRAFT IMPACTED INTO THE SIDE OF A 4100 FOOT MOUNTAIN AT AN ELEVATION OF 2900 FEET.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
THE PILOT DECIDED TO FLY IN WEATHER CONDITIONS THAT WERE BEYOND HIS AND THE AIRCRAFT'S CAPABILITIES.
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Margaretville, catskills crash at 3300 ft.
NTSB Identification: NYC88FA248 .
The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number 38631.
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Saturday, July 30, 1988 in MARGARETVILLE, NY
Probable Cause Approval Date: 1/24/1990
Aircraft: PIPER PA-39-30, registration: N2875A
Injuries: 2 Fatal.
THE ACFT DEPARTED BLOCK ISLAND, RI EN ROUTE TO STEWART INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, NEWBURGH, NEW YORK, THE AIRCRAFT NEVER ARRIVED AND WAS REPORTED MISSING AUGUST 2, 1988. THE AIRCRAFT WAS MISSING UNTIL NOVEMBER 21, 1988 WHEN IT WAS FOUND NEAR MARGARETVILLE, NY BY DEER HUNTERS WHO NOTIFIED THE STATE POLICE OF THE LOCATION. THE AIRCRAFT HAD COLLIDED WITH TREES AND TERRAIN AT THE 3,300 FT LEVEL IN MOUNTAINOUS TERRAIN, WELL OFF DIRECT ROUTE OF FLIGHT.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
ALTITUDE..INADEQUATE..PILOT IN COMMAND
IN-FLIGHT PLANNING/DECISION..POOR..PILOT IN COMMAND
BECAME LOST/DISORIENTED..PILOT IN COMMAND
Contributing Factors
TERRAIN CONDITION..MOUNTAINOUS/HILLY
LIGHT CONDITION..DARK NIGHT
NTSB Identification: NYC88FA248 .
The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number 38631.
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Saturday, July 30, 1988 in MARGARETVILLE, NY
Probable Cause Approval Date: 1/24/1990
Aircraft: PIPER PA-39-30, registration: N2875A
Injuries: 2 Fatal.
THE ACFT DEPARTED BLOCK ISLAND, RI EN ROUTE TO STEWART INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, NEWBURGH, NEW YORK, THE AIRCRAFT NEVER ARRIVED AND WAS REPORTED MISSING AUGUST 2, 1988. THE AIRCRAFT WAS MISSING UNTIL NOVEMBER 21, 1988 WHEN IT WAS FOUND NEAR MARGARETVILLE, NY BY DEER HUNTERS WHO NOTIFIED THE STATE POLICE OF THE LOCATION. THE AIRCRAFT HAD COLLIDED WITH TREES AND TERRAIN AT THE 3,300 FT LEVEL IN MOUNTAINOUS TERRAIN, WELL OFF DIRECT ROUTE OF FLIGHT.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
ALTITUDE..INADEQUATE..PILOT IN COMMAND
IN-FLIGHT PLANNING/DECISION..POOR..PILOT IN COMMAND
BECAME LOST/DISORIENTED..PILOT IN COMMAND
Contributing Factors
TERRAIN CONDITION..MOUNTAINOUS/HILLY
LIGHT CONDITION..DARK NIGHT
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Crash in the gunks
NTSB Identification: NYC87FA192 .
The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number 35065.
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Friday, June 26, 1987 in ELLENVILLE, NY
Probable Cause Approval Date: 1/11/1989
Aircraft: CESSNA 182P, registration: N722DD
Injuries: 4 Fatal.
THE ACFT COLLIDED WITH RISING TERRAIN IN A MOUNTAINOUS AREA OF MINNEWASKA STATE PARK WHILE CLIMBING TO CRUISE ON A VFR FLIGHT. THE CRASH SITE WAS ABOUT 1,430 FEET HIGHER IN ELEVATION THAN THE DEPARTURE AIRPORT. THE WEATHER AT THE DEPARTURE AIRPORT WAS 1000 FEET BROKEN, 2000 FEET OVERCAST. PARK RANGERS SAID THE MOUNTAINTOPS WERE OBSCURED IN THE AFTERNOON ON THE ACCIDENT DATE. THE SPECIALIST AT THE POUGHKEEPSIE FSS STATED THAT AFTER HE COPIED THE PLT'S REQUESTED IFR FLT PLAN, HE ASKED IF THE PLT WANTED A WX BRIEF. THE PLT REPLIED NO AND ACCORDING TO THE SPECIALIST, HUNG UP THE PHONE. ABOUT TWO MINUTES AFTER BEING GIVEN TAXI INSTRUCTIONS AND PUTTING HIS CLEARANCE ON REQUEST, THE PLT WAS ADVISED THAT THERE WAS NO FLT PLAN STORED AND HE WOULD HAVE TO COME IN AND FILE ONE. SHORTLY THEREAFTER, THE PLT REQUESTED A VFR DEPARTURE AND WAS CLEARED FOR TKOF.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
VFR FLIGHT INTO IMC..CONTINUED..PILOT IN COMMAND
Contributing Factors
WEATHER CONDITION..CLOUDS
WEATHER CONDITION..LOW CEILING
TERRAIN CONDITION..MOUNTAINOUS/HILLY
PREFLIGHT PLANNING/PREPARATION..INADEQUATE..PILOT IN COMMAND
PREFLIGHT BRIEFING SERVICE..NOT OBTAINED..PILOT IN COMMAND
NTSB Identification: NYC87FA192 .
The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number 35065.
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Friday, June 26, 1987 in ELLENVILLE, NY
Probable Cause Approval Date: 1/11/1989
Aircraft: CESSNA 182P, registration: N722DD
Injuries: 4 Fatal.
THE ACFT COLLIDED WITH RISING TERRAIN IN A MOUNTAINOUS AREA OF MINNEWASKA STATE PARK WHILE CLIMBING TO CRUISE ON A VFR FLIGHT. THE CRASH SITE WAS ABOUT 1,430 FEET HIGHER IN ELEVATION THAN THE DEPARTURE AIRPORT. THE WEATHER AT THE DEPARTURE AIRPORT WAS 1000 FEET BROKEN, 2000 FEET OVERCAST. PARK RANGERS SAID THE MOUNTAINTOPS WERE OBSCURED IN THE AFTERNOON ON THE ACCIDENT DATE. THE SPECIALIST AT THE POUGHKEEPSIE FSS STATED THAT AFTER HE COPIED THE PLT'S REQUESTED IFR FLT PLAN, HE ASKED IF THE PLT WANTED A WX BRIEF. THE PLT REPLIED NO AND ACCORDING TO THE SPECIALIST, HUNG UP THE PHONE. ABOUT TWO MINUTES AFTER BEING GIVEN TAXI INSTRUCTIONS AND PUTTING HIS CLEARANCE ON REQUEST, THE PLT WAS ADVISED THAT THERE WAS NO FLT PLAN STORED AND HE WOULD HAVE TO COME IN AND FILE ONE. SHORTLY THEREAFTER, THE PLT REQUESTED A VFR DEPARTURE AND WAS CLEARED FOR TKOF.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
VFR FLIGHT INTO IMC..CONTINUED..PILOT IN COMMAND
Contributing Factors
WEATHER CONDITION..CLOUDS
WEATHER CONDITION..LOW CEILING
TERRAIN CONDITION..MOUNTAINOUS/HILLY
PREFLIGHT PLANNING/PREPARATION..INADEQUATE..PILOT IN COMMAND
PREFLIGHT BRIEFING SERVICE..NOT OBTAINED..PILOT IN COMMAND
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Stopple point crash
Rivet has positively identified this as the stopple point crash, in post #31 to this thread. thanks Rivet.
NTSB Identification: NYC83FA125 .
The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number 22913.
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Thursday, May 26, 1983 in HAINES FALLS, NY
Aircraft: PIPER PA-28-140, registration: N1316T
Injuries: 1 Fatal.
ON THE PREVIOUS DAY, THE PLT HAD FLOWN TO POUGHKEEPSIE, NY. BEFORE HE DEPARTED ON THE RETRUN TRIP, THE MANAGER OF A FLT SCHOOL INFORMED HIM THAT THE WX WAS BAD; HOWEVER, HE TOOK OFF AT ABOUT 0912 EDT. WHILE ENROUTE, THE ACFT COLLIDED WITH TREES NEAR THE TOP OF MOUNTAINOUS TERRAIN AT AN ELEVATION OF ABOUT 3400 FT. AFTER IMPACT WITH THE 1ST TREE, THE ACFT CONTINUED ABOUT 500 FT BEFORE IT CAME TO REST IN THE WOODED AREA. NO EVIDENCE OF A PREIMPACT, MECHANICAL FAILURE WAS FOUND. STATE POLICE OFFICERS FLYING IN A HELICOPTER REPORTED HEAVY RAIN & LOW CEILINGS IN THE AREA. ABOUT 34 MI NORTH-NORTHEAST AT ALBANY, NY, THE 0948 EDT WX WAS: ESTIMATED 1000 FT OVERCAST, 6 MI VISIBILITY WITH FOG, TEMP 55 DEG, DEW POINT 54 DEG, WIND 60 DEG AT 10 KTS, BREAKS IN OVERCAST WITH HIGHER CLOUDS VISIBLE. THE PLT PREVIOUSLY HAD A STUDENT CERTIFICATE, BUT IT HAD BEEN REVOKED BY THE FAA FOR VIOLATIONS.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
PROPER ALTITUDE..NOT MAINTAINED..PILOT IN COMMAND
CLEARANCE..MISJUDGED..PILOT IN COMMAND
FLIGHT INTO KNOWN ADVERSE WEATHER..CONTINUED..PILOT IN COMMAND
Contributing Factors
PREFLIGHT PLANNING/PREPARATION..INADEQUATE..PILOT IN COMMAND
OBJECT..TREE(S)
TERRAIN CONDITION..HIGH TERRAIN
WEATHER CONDITION..CLOUDS
WEATHER CONDITION..LOW CEILING
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Rivet has positively identified this as the stopple point crash, in post #31 to this thread. thanks Rivet.
NTSB Identification: NYC83FA125 .
The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number 22913.
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Thursday, May 26, 1983 in HAINES FALLS, NY
Aircraft: PIPER PA-28-140, registration: N1316T
Injuries: 1 Fatal.
ON THE PREVIOUS DAY, THE PLT HAD FLOWN TO POUGHKEEPSIE, NY. BEFORE HE DEPARTED ON THE RETRUN TRIP, THE MANAGER OF A FLT SCHOOL INFORMED HIM THAT THE WX WAS BAD; HOWEVER, HE TOOK OFF AT ABOUT 0912 EDT. WHILE ENROUTE, THE ACFT COLLIDED WITH TREES NEAR THE TOP OF MOUNTAINOUS TERRAIN AT AN ELEVATION OF ABOUT 3400 FT. AFTER IMPACT WITH THE 1ST TREE, THE ACFT CONTINUED ABOUT 500 FT BEFORE IT CAME TO REST IN THE WOODED AREA. NO EVIDENCE OF A PREIMPACT, MECHANICAL FAILURE WAS FOUND. STATE POLICE OFFICERS FLYING IN A HELICOPTER REPORTED HEAVY RAIN & LOW CEILINGS IN THE AREA. ABOUT 34 MI NORTH-NORTHEAST AT ALBANY, NY, THE 0948 EDT WX WAS: ESTIMATED 1000 FT OVERCAST, 6 MI VISIBILITY WITH FOG, TEMP 55 DEG, DEW POINT 54 DEG, WIND 60 DEG AT 10 KTS, BREAKS IN OVERCAST WITH HIGHER CLOUDS VISIBLE. THE PLT PREVIOUSLY HAD A STUDENT CERTIFICATE, BUT IT HAD BEEN REVOKED BY THE FAA FOR VIOLATIONS.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
PROPER ALTITUDE..NOT MAINTAINED..PILOT IN COMMAND
CLEARANCE..MISJUDGED..PILOT IN COMMAND
FLIGHT INTO KNOWN ADVERSE WEATHER..CONTINUED..PILOT IN COMMAND
Contributing Factors
PREFLIGHT PLANNING/PREPARATION..INADEQUATE..PILOT IN COMMAND
OBJECT..TREE(S)
TERRAIN CONDITION..HIGH TERRAIN
WEATHER CONDITION..CLOUDS
WEATHER CONDITION..LOW CEILING
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Wreck on Mountain somewhere near NL mine
Pre 1978 reports have very little info. this one is especially cryptic. It ssems to indicate a wreck on a mountain, near the mines:
NTSB Identification: NYC74AN115
14 CFR Part 91 General Aviation
Event occurred Sunday, June 23, 1974 in TAHAWUS, NY
Aircraft: BEECH B95, registration: N9953R
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FILE DATE LOCATION AIRCRAFT DATA INJURIES FLIGHT PILOT DATA F S M/N PURPOSE----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------3-1842 74/6/23 NR.TAHAWUS,NY BEECH B95 CR- 1 0 0 NONCOMMERCIAL PRIVATE, AGE 45, 300 TIME - 1345 N9953R PX- 0 0 0 PLEASURE/PERSONAL TRANSP TOTAL HOURS, 100 IN TYPE, DAMAGE-DESTROYED OT- 0 0 0 NOT INSTRUMENT RATED. NAME OF AIRPORT - TAHAWUS MINE DEPARTURE POINT INTENDED DESTINATION WATERTOWN,NY BURLINGTON,VT TYPE OF ACCIDENT PHASE OF OPERATION COLLISION WITH GROUND/WATER: UNCONTROLLED IN FLIGHT: UNCONTROLLED DESCENT PROBABLE CAUSE(S) MISCELLANEOUS - UNDETERMINED FACTOR(S) TERRAIN - HIGH OBSTRUCTIONS REMARKS- PLT AWARE OF MTNS TRRN-ADVSD SARANAC UNICOM COULD NO LONGER KEEP ACFT IN AIR,MTN IN FRONT OF HIM.
Pre 1978 reports have very little info. this one is especially cryptic. It ssems to indicate a wreck on a mountain, near the mines:
NTSB Identification: NYC74AN115
14 CFR Part 91 General Aviation
Event occurred Sunday, June 23, 1974 in TAHAWUS, NY
Aircraft: BEECH B95, registration: N9953R
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FILE DATE LOCATION AIRCRAFT DATA INJURIES FLIGHT PILOT DATA F S M/N PURPOSE----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------3-1842 74/6/23 NR.TAHAWUS,NY BEECH B95 CR- 1 0 0 NONCOMMERCIAL PRIVATE, AGE 45, 300 TIME - 1345 N9953R PX- 0 0 0 PLEASURE/PERSONAL TRANSP TOTAL HOURS, 100 IN TYPE, DAMAGE-DESTROYED OT- 0 0 0 NOT INSTRUMENT RATED. NAME OF AIRPORT - TAHAWUS MINE DEPARTURE POINT INTENDED DESTINATION WATERTOWN,NY BURLINGTON,VT TYPE OF ACCIDENT PHASE OF OPERATION COLLISION WITH GROUND/WATER: UNCONTROLLED IN FLIGHT: UNCONTROLLED DESCENT PROBABLE CAUSE(S) MISCELLANEOUS - UNDETERMINED FACTOR(S) TERRAIN - HIGH OBSTRUCTIONS REMARKS- PLT AWARE OF MTNS TRRN-ADVSD SARANAC UNICOM COULD NO LONGER KEEP ACFT IN AIR,MTN IN FRONT OF HIM.
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another Haines Falls wreck
This could be the plane that crashed on South Mountain, of which a few small pieces remain.
NTSB Identification: NYC73AN114
14 CFR Part 91 General Aviation
Event occurred Wednesday, February 21, 1973 in HAINES FALLS, NY
Aircraft: CESSNA 172, registration: N7896G
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FILE DATE LOCATION AIRCRAFT DATA INJURIES FLIGHT PILOT DATA F S M/N PURPOSE----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------3-0137 73/2/21 HAINES FALLS,NY CESSNA 172 CR- 0 0 1 NONCOMMERCIAL PRIVATE, AGE 35, 52 TOTAL TIME - 1800 N7896G PX- 1 1 1 BUSINESS HOURS, 7 IN TYPE, NOT DAMAGE-DESTROYED OT- 0 0 0 INSTRUMENT RATED. DEPARTURE POINT INTENDED DESTINATION TETERBORO,NJ GLENS FALLS,NY TYPE OF ACCIDENT PHASE OF OPERATION COLLISION WITH GROUND/WATER: CONTROLLED IN FLIGHT: NORMAL CRUISE PROBABLE CAUSE(S) PILOT IN COMMAND - CONTINUED VFR FLIGHT INTO ADVERSE WEATHER CONDITIONS FACTOR(S) PILOT IN COMMAND - INADEQUATE PREFLIGHT PREPARATION AND/OR PLANNING WEATHER - LOW CEILING TERRAIN - OTHER WEATHER BRIEFING - BRIEFED BY FLIGHT SERVICE PERSONNEL, BY PHONE WEATHER FORECAST - FORECAST SUBSTANTIALLY CORRECT MISSING AIRCRAFT - LATER RECOVERED SKY CONDITION CEILING AT ACCIDENT SITE OVERCAST 0 VISIBILITY AT ACCIDENT SITE PRECIPITATION AT ACCIDENT SITE ZERO NONE OBSTRUCTIONS TO VISION AT ACCIDENT SITE TYPE OF WEATHER CONDITIONS FOG IFR TYPE OF FLIGHT PLAN VFR REMARKS- HIT MTN AT NIGHT.RCVRD 2/22/73.
This could be the plane that crashed on South Mountain, of which a few small pieces remain.
NTSB Identification: NYC73AN114
14 CFR Part 91 General Aviation
Event occurred Wednesday, February 21, 1973 in HAINES FALLS, NY
Aircraft: CESSNA 172, registration: N7896G
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FILE DATE LOCATION AIRCRAFT DATA INJURIES FLIGHT PILOT DATA F S M/N PURPOSE----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------3-0137 73/2/21 HAINES FALLS,NY CESSNA 172 CR- 0 0 1 NONCOMMERCIAL PRIVATE, AGE 35, 52 TOTAL TIME - 1800 N7896G PX- 1 1 1 BUSINESS HOURS, 7 IN TYPE, NOT DAMAGE-DESTROYED OT- 0 0 0 INSTRUMENT RATED. DEPARTURE POINT INTENDED DESTINATION TETERBORO,NJ GLENS FALLS,NY TYPE OF ACCIDENT PHASE OF OPERATION COLLISION WITH GROUND/WATER: CONTROLLED IN FLIGHT: NORMAL CRUISE PROBABLE CAUSE(S) PILOT IN COMMAND - CONTINUED VFR FLIGHT INTO ADVERSE WEATHER CONDITIONS FACTOR(S) PILOT IN COMMAND - INADEQUATE PREFLIGHT PREPARATION AND/OR PLANNING WEATHER - LOW CEILING TERRAIN - OTHER WEATHER BRIEFING - BRIEFED BY FLIGHT SERVICE PERSONNEL, BY PHONE WEATHER FORECAST - FORECAST SUBSTANTIALLY CORRECT MISSING AIRCRAFT - LATER RECOVERED SKY CONDITION CEILING AT ACCIDENT SITE OVERCAST 0 VISIBILITY AT ACCIDENT SITE PRECIPITATION AT ACCIDENT SITE ZERO NONE OBSTRUCTIONS TO VISION AT ACCIDENT SITE TYPE OF WEATHER CONDITIONS FOG IFR TYPE OF FLIGHT PLAN VFR REMARKS- HIT MTN AT NIGHT.RCVRD 2/22/73.
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Saranac Jet crash at 2140 ft
NTSB Identification: NYC73AN090
14 CFR Part 91 General Aviation
Event occurred Wednesday, December 27, 1972 in SARANAC LAKE, NY
Aircraft: LOCKHEED L1329, registration: N400M
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FILE DATE LOCATION AIRCRAFT DATA INJURIES FLIGHT PILOT DATA F S M/N PURPOSE----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------3-4071 72/12/27 SARANAC LAKE,NY LOCKHEED L1329 CR- 3 0 0 NONCOMMERCIAL AIRLINE TRANSPORT, AGE TIME - 2202 N400M PX- 0 0 0 CORP/EXEC 40, 20128 TOTAL HOURS, DAMAGE-DESTROYED OT- 0 0 0 1800 IN TYPE, INSTRUMENT RATED. NAME OF AIRPORT - ADIRONDACK DEPARTURE POINT INTENDED DESTINATION GRAND ISLAND,NEBR SARANAC LAKE,NY TYPE OF ACCIDENT PHASE OF OPERATION COLLIDED WITH: TREES LANDING: FINAL APPROACH PROBABLE CAUSE(S) PILOT IN COMMAND - IMPROPER IFR OPERATION FACTOR(S) WEATHER - LOW CEILING WEATHER - FOG WEATHER - SNOW WEATHER BRIEFING - UNKNOWN/NOT REPORTED WEATHER FORECAST - WEATHER CONSIDERABLY WORSE THAN FORECAST SKY CONDITION CEILING AT ACCIDENT SITE OBSCURATION 1000 VISIBILITY AT ACCIDENT SITE PRECIPITATION AT ACCIDENT SITE 1 MILE OR LESS SNOW OBSTRUCTIONS TO VISION AT ACCIDENT SITE TYPE OF WEATHER CONDITIONS FOG IFR TYPE OF FLIGHT PLAN IFR REMARKS- CIRCLING MDA 2960FT. HIT AT 2140FT MSL ELEV AFTR THIRD PASS OVR FLD.
NTSB Identification: NYC73AN090
14 CFR Part 91 General Aviation
Event occurred Wednesday, December 27, 1972 in SARANAC LAKE, NY
Aircraft: LOCKHEED L1329, registration: N400M
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FILE DATE LOCATION AIRCRAFT DATA INJURIES FLIGHT PILOT DATA F S M/N PURPOSE----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------3-4071 72/12/27 SARANAC LAKE,NY LOCKHEED L1329 CR- 3 0 0 NONCOMMERCIAL AIRLINE TRANSPORT, AGE TIME - 2202 N400M PX- 0 0 0 CORP/EXEC 40, 20128 TOTAL HOURS, DAMAGE-DESTROYED OT- 0 0 0 1800 IN TYPE, INSTRUMENT RATED. NAME OF AIRPORT - ADIRONDACK DEPARTURE POINT INTENDED DESTINATION GRAND ISLAND,NEBR SARANAC LAKE,NY TYPE OF ACCIDENT PHASE OF OPERATION COLLIDED WITH: TREES LANDING: FINAL APPROACH PROBABLE CAUSE(S) PILOT IN COMMAND - IMPROPER IFR OPERATION FACTOR(S) WEATHER - LOW CEILING WEATHER - FOG WEATHER - SNOW WEATHER BRIEFING - UNKNOWN/NOT REPORTED WEATHER FORECAST - WEATHER CONSIDERABLY WORSE THAN FORECAST SKY CONDITION CEILING AT ACCIDENT SITE OBSCURATION 1000 VISIBILITY AT ACCIDENT SITE PRECIPITATION AT ACCIDENT SITE 1 MILE OR LESS SNOW OBSTRUCTIONS TO VISION AT ACCIDENT SITE TYPE OF WEATHER CONDITIONS FOG IFR TYPE OF FLIGHT PLAN IFR REMARKS- CIRCLING MDA 2960FT. HIT AT 2140FT MSL ELEV AFTR THIRD PASS OVR FLD.
rondak46
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Saranac crash into mountain
...no indication of location...
NTSB Identification: NYC70AN136
14 CFR Part 91 General Aviation
Event occurred Saturday, June 27, 1970 in SARANAC LAKE, NY
Aircraft: PIPER PA-32, registration: N3682W
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FILE DATE LOCATION AIRCRAFT DATA INJURIES FLIGHT PILOT DATA F S M/N PURPOSE----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------3-1045 70/6/27 SARANAC LAKE,NY PIPER PA-32 CR- 1 0 0 NONCOMMERCIAL PRIVATE, AGE 37, 438 TIME - 1145 N3682W PX- 4 0 0 PLEASURE/PERSONAL TRANSP TOTAL HOURS, 13 IN TYPE, DAMAGE-DESTROYED OT- 0 0 0 INSTRUMENT RATED. DEPARTURE POINT INTENDED DESTINATION MASSINA,NY WESTMINISTER,MD TYPE OF ACCIDENT PHASE OF OPERATION COLLISION WITH GROUND/WATER: CONTROLLED IN FLIGHT: NORMAL CRUISE PROBABLE CAUSE(S) PILOT IN COMMAND - IMPROPER IFR OPERATION FACTOR(S) WEATHER - LOW CEILING WEATHER - RAIN WEATHER - FOG TERRAIN - HIGH OBSTRUCTIONS WEATHER BRIEFING - BRIEFED BY FLIGHT SERVICE PERSONNEL, IN PERSON WEATHER FORECAST - FORECAST SUBSTANTIALLY CORRECT SKY CONDITION CEILING AT ACCIDENT SITE OBSCURATION 0 VISIBILITY AT ACCIDENT SITE PRECIPITATION AT ACCIDENT SITE ZERO DRIZZLE OBSTRUCTIONS TO VISION AT ACCIDENT SITE TEMPERATURE-F FOG 50 TYPE OF WEATHER CONDITIONS TYPE OF FLIGHT PLAN IFR IFR REMARKS- PLT RCVD CLRNC FROM VFR 4000FT TO IFR 7000FT.HIT MTN OBSCD BY CLOUDS.
...no indication of location...
NTSB Identification: NYC70AN136
14 CFR Part 91 General Aviation
Event occurred Saturday, June 27, 1970 in SARANAC LAKE, NY
Aircraft: PIPER PA-32, registration: N3682W
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FILE DATE LOCATION AIRCRAFT DATA INJURIES FLIGHT PILOT DATA F S M/N PURPOSE----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------3-1045 70/6/27 SARANAC LAKE,NY PIPER PA-32 CR- 1 0 0 NONCOMMERCIAL PRIVATE, AGE 37, 438 TIME - 1145 N3682W PX- 4 0 0 PLEASURE/PERSONAL TRANSP TOTAL HOURS, 13 IN TYPE, DAMAGE-DESTROYED OT- 0 0 0 INSTRUMENT RATED. DEPARTURE POINT INTENDED DESTINATION MASSINA,NY WESTMINISTER,MD TYPE OF ACCIDENT PHASE OF OPERATION COLLISION WITH GROUND/WATER: CONTROLLED IN FLIGHT: NORMAL CRUISE PROBABLE CAUSE(S) PILOT IN COMMAND - IMPROPER IFR OPERATION FACTOR(S) WEATHER - LOW CEILING WEATHER - RAIN WEATHER - FOG TERRAIN - HIGH OBSTRUCTIONS WEATHER BRIEFING - BRIEFED BY FLIGHT SERVICE PERSONNEL, IN PERSON WEATHER FORECAST - FORECAST SUBSTANTIALLY CORRECT SKY CONDITION CEILING AT ACCIDENT SITE OBSCURATION 0 VISIBILITY AT ACCIDENT SITE PRECIPITATION AT ACCIDENT SITE ZERO DRIZZLE OBSTRUCTIONS TO VISION AT ACCIDENT SITE TEMPERATURE-F FOG 50 TYPE OF WEATHER CONDITIONS TYPE OF FLIGHT PLAN IFR IFR REMARKS- PLT RCVD CLRNC FROM VFR 4000FT TO IFR 7000FT.HIT MTN OBSCD BY CLOUDS.
rondak46
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Tannersville, Higher Kaaterskill HP wreck
30 ft. below top of Kaaterskill HP. Moose Mccenzie identified this for us.
NTSB Identification: NYC67A0178
14 CFR Part 91 General Aviation
Event occurred Tuesday, June 13, 1967 in TANNERSVILLE, NY
Aircraft: PIPER PA-23, registration: N5604Y
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FILE DATE LOCATION AIRCRAFT DATA INJURIES FLIGHT PILOT DATA F S M/N PURPOSE----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------2-0357 67/6/13 TANNERSVILLE,NY PIPER PA-23 CR- 2 0 0 NONCOMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL, FL.INSTR., TIME - UNK/NR N5604Y PX- 0 0 0 BUSINESS AGE 29, 1348 TOTAL HOURS, DAMAGE-DESTROYED OT- 0 0 0 321 IN TYPE, INSTRUMENT RATED. TYPE OF ACCIDENT PHASE OF OPERATION COLLISION WITH GROUND/WATER: CONTROLLED IN FLIGHT: NORMAL CRUISE PROBABLE CAUSE(S) PILOT IN COMMAND - CONTINUED VFR FLIGHT INTO ADVERSE WEATHER CONDITIONS PILOT IN COMMAND - FAILED TO USE OR INCORRECTLY USED MISC.EQUIPMENT PILOT IN COMMAND - BECAME LOST/DISORIENTED FACTOR(S) WEATHER - LOW CEILING WEATHER - RAIN TERRAIN - OTHER WEATHER BRIEFING - BRIEFED BY FLIGHT SERVICE PERSONNEL, BY RADIO WEATHER FORECAST - FORECAST SUBSTANTIALLY CORRECT MISSING AIRCRAFT - LATER RECOVERED SKY CONDITION CEILING AT ACCIDENT SITE OVERCAST 200 VISIBILITY AT ACCIDENT SITE PRECIPITATION AT ACCIDENT SITE 2 MILES OR LESS RAIN OBSTRUCTIONS TO VISION AT ACCIDENT SITE TYPE OF WEATHER CONDITIONS UNKNOWN/NOT REPORTED IFR TYPE OF FLIGHT PLAN NONE REMARKS- RECOVERY DATE-6/19/67.PLT RETURNG BASE DUE WX DID NOT RETUNE NAV EQUIP.ACFT STRUCK MT 30FT BLO TOP
30 ft. below top of Kaaterskill HP. Moose Mccenzie identified this for us.
NTSB Identification: NYC67A0178
14 CFR Part 91 General Aviation
Event occurred Tuesday, June 13, 1967 in TANNERSVILLE, NY
Aircraft: PIPER PA-23, registration: N5604Y
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FILE DATE LOCATION AIRCRAFT DATA INJURIES FLIGHT PILOT DATA F S M/N PURPOSE----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------2-0357 67/6/13 TANNERSVILLE,NY PIPER PA-23 CR- 2 0 0 NONCOMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL, FL.INSTR., TIME - UNK/NR N5604Y PX- 0 0 0 BUSINESS AGE 29, 1348 TOTAL HOURS, DAMAGE-DESTROYED OT- 0 0 0 321 IN TYPE, INSTRUMENT RATED. TYPE OF ACCIDENT PHASE OF OPERATION COLLISION WITH GROUND/WATER: CONTROLLED IN FLIGHT: NORMAL CRUISE PROBABLE CAUSE(S) PILOT IN COMMAND - CONTINUED VFR FLIGHT INTO ADVERSE WEATHER CONDITIONS PILOT IN COMMAND - FAILED TO USE OR INCORRECTLY USED MISC.EQUIPMENT PILOT IN COMMAND - BECAME LOST/DISORIENTED FACTOR(S) WEATHER - LOW CEILING WEATHER - RAIN TERRAIN - OTHER WEATHER BRIEFING - BRIEFED BY FLIGHT SERVICE PERSONNEL, BY RADIO WEATHER FORECAST - FORECAST SUBSTANTIALLY CORRECT MISSING AIRCRAFT - LATER RECOVERED SKY CONDITION CEILING AT ACCIDENT SITE OVERCAST 200 VISIBILITY AT ACCIDENT SITE PRECIPITATION AT ACCIDENT SITE 2 MILES OR LESS RAIN OBSTRUCTIONS TO VISION AT ACCIDENT SITE TYPE OF WEATHER CONDITIONS UNKNOWN/NOT REPORTED IFR TYPE OF FLIGHT PLAN NONE REMARKS- RECOVERY DATE-6/19/67.PLT RETURNG BASE DUE WX DID NOT RETUNE NAV EQUIP.ACFT STRUCK MT 30FT BLO TOP
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rondak46
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Struck Overlook Mountain in Woodstock, NY
This is a wreck on Overlook mountain
In post #21 to this thread, Hermit posted "The crash on Overlook is on the Woodstock side of the Mtn..From the tower there is a herd path from the second telephone pole to a ledge. Just below the ledge is the site"
NTSB Identification: NYC65A0117
14 CFR Part 91 General Aviation
Event occurred Wednesday, March 17, 1965 in WOODSTOCK, NY
Aircraft: CESSNA 172B, registration: N8213X
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FILE DATE LOCATION AIRCRAFT DATA INJURIES FLIGHT PILOT DATA F S M/N PURPOSE----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------2-0381 65/3/17 WOODSTOCK NY CESSNA 172B CR- 1 0 0 NONCOMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL, FL.INSTR., TIME - 2131 N8213X PX- 1 0 0 BUSINESS AGE 28, 972 TOTAL HOURS, DAMAGE-DESTROYED OT- 0 0 0 UNK/NR IN TYPE, INSTRUMENT RATED. TYPE OF ACCIDENT PHASE OF OPERATION COLLISION WITH GROUND/WATER: CONTROLLED IN FLIGHT: OTHER PROBABLE CAUSE(S) PILOT IN COMMAND - CONTINUED VFR FLIGHT INTO ADVERSE WEATHER CONDITIONS PILOT IN COMMAND - INADEQUATE PREFLIGHT PREPARATION AND/OR PLANNING PILOT IN COMMAND - IMPROPER IN-FLIGHT DECISIONS OR PLANNING FACTOR(S) WEATHER - FOG WEATHER - SNOW WEATHER - LOW CEILING WEATHER BRIEFING - BRIEFED BY FLIGHT SERVICE PERSONNEL, BY RADIO WEATHER FORECAST - UNKNOWN/NOT REPORTED MISSING AIRCRAFT - LATER RECOVERED SKY CONDITION CEILING AT ACCIDENT SITE OBSCURATION 1000 VISIBILITY AT ACCIDENT SITE PRECIPITATION AT ACCIDENT SITE 2 MILES OR LESS SNOW OBSTRUCTIONS TO VISION AT ACCIDENT SITE TEMPERATURE-F FOG 32 WIND DIRECTION-DEGREES WIND VELOCITY-KNOTS 180 5 TYPE OF WEATHER CONDITIONS TYPE OF FLIGHT PLAN IFR NONE REMARKS- RECOVERY DATE 03/21/65. AIRCRAFT STRUCK MOUNTAIN DURING INSTRUMENT WEATHER CONDITIONS.
This is a wreck on Overlook mountain
In post #21 to this thread, Hermit posted "The crash on Overlook is on the Woodstock side of the Mtn..From the tower there is a herd path from the second telephone pole to a ledge. Just below the ledge is the site"
NTSB Identification: NYC65A0117
14 CFR Part 91 General Aviation
Event occurred Wednesday, March 17, 1965 in WOODSTOCK, NY
Aircraft: CESSNA 172B, registration: N8213X
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FILE DATE LOCATION AIRCRAFT DATA INJURIES FLIGHT PILOT DATA F S M/N PURPOSE----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------2-0381 65/3/17 WOODSTOCK NY CESSNA 172B CR- 1 0 0 NONCOMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL, FL.INSTR., TIME - 2131 N8213X PX- 1 0 0 BUSINESS AGE 28, 972 TOTAL HOURS, DAMAGE-DESTROYED OT- 0 0 0 UNK/NR IN TYPE, INSTRUMENT RATED. TYPE OF ACCIDENT PHASE OF OPERATION COLLISION WITH GROUND/WATER: CONTROLLED IN FLIGHT: OTHER PROBABLE CAUSE(S) PILOT IN COMMAND - CONTINUED VFR FLIGHT INTO ADVERSE WEATHER CONDITIONS PILOT IN COMMAND - INADEQUATE PREFLIGHT PREPARATION AND/OR PLANNING PILOT IN COMMAND - IMPROPER IN-FLIGHT DECISIONS OR PLANNING FACTOR(S) WEATHER - FOG WEATHER - SNOW WEATHER - LOW CEILING WEATHER BRIEFING - BRIEFED BY FLIGHT SERVICE PERSONNEL, BY RADIO WEATHER FORECAST - UNKNOWN/NOT REPORTED MISSING AIRCRAFT - LATER RECOVERED SKY CONDITION CEILING AT ACCIDENT SITE OBSCURATION 1000 VISIBILITY AT ACCIDENT SITE PRECIPITATION AT ACCIDENT SITE 2 MILES OR LESS SNOW OBSTRUCTIONS TO VISION AT ACCIDENT SITE TEMPERATURE-F FOG 32 WIND DIRECTION-DEGREES WIND VELOCITY-KNOTS 180 5 TYPE OF WEATHER CONDITIONS TYPE OF FLIGHT PLAN IFR NONE REMARKS- RECOVERY DATE 03/21/65. AIRCRAFT STRUCK MOUNTAIN DURING INSTRUMENT WEATHER CONDITIONS.
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rondak46
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Acra, NY wreck, probably into the escarpment
.... 220 degrees magnetic from the Albany County Airport
NTSB Identification: NYC83FA192 .
The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number 22128.
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Sunday, July 24, 1983 in ACRA, NY
Aircraft: BEECH V35A, registration: N2617A
Injuries: 1 Fatal.
THE PILOT STATED THAT HE WAS LOOKING FOR VMC EVEN THOUGH HE WAS ON AN IFR FLIGHT. WHILE INBOUND TO ALBANY HE SAID HE WAS CIRCLING DOWN FROM 4000 FEET IN A VFR SPOT TO GET UNDER THE CLOUDS. HE SUBSEQUENTLY CANCELLED HIS IFR FLT PLAN AND SAID HE WAS GOING TO FLY TO GREAT BARRINGTON, LOCATED EAST OF HIS LAST KNOWN POSITION. THE ACFT CRASHED WEST OF HIS LAST KNOWN POSITION. WEATHER IN THE AREA WAS SUCH THAT THE MOUNTAIN PEAKS WERE OBSCURED.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
BECAME LOST/DISORIENTED..INADVERTENT..PILOT IN COMMAND
VFR FLIGHT INTO IMC..INITIATED..PILOT IN COMMAND
Contributing Factors
WEATHER CONDITION..LOW CEILING
WEATHER CONDITION..LOW CEILING
TERRAIN CONDITION..MOUNTAINOUS/HILLY
JUDGMENT..POOR..PILOT IN COMMAND
.... 220 degrees magnetic from the Albany County Airport
NTSB Identification: NYC83FA192 .
The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number 22128.
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Sunday, July 24, 1983 in ACRA, NY
Aircraft: BEECH V35A, registration: N2617A
Injuries: 1 Fatal.
THE PILOT STATED THAT HE WAS LOOKING FOR VMC EVEN THOUGH HE WAS ON AN IFR FLIGHT. WHILE INBOUND TO ALBANY HE SAID HE WAS CIRCLING DOWN FROM 4000 FEET IN A VFR SPOT TO GET UNDER THE CLOUDS. HE SUBSEQUENTLY CANCELLED HIS IFR FLT PLAN AND SAID HE WAS GOING TO FLY TO GREAT BARRINGTON, LOCATED EAST OF HIS LAST KNOWN POSITION. THE ACFT CRASHED WEST OF HIS LAST KNOWN POSITION. WEATHER IN THE AREA WAS SUCH THAT THE MOUNTAIN PEAKS WERE OBSCURED.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
BECAME LOST/DISORIENTED..INADVERTENT..PILOT IN COMMAND
VFR FLIGHT INTO IMC..INITIATED..PILOT IN COMMAND
Contributing Factors
WEATHER CONDITION..LOW CEILING
WEATHER CONDITION..LOW CEILING
TERRAIN CONDITION..MOUNTAINOUS/HILLY
JUDGMENT..POOR..PILOT IN COMMAND
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moose_mckenzie
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30 ft. below unidentified Mountain top.
NTSB Identification: NYC67A0178
14 CFR Part 91 General Aviation
Event occurred Tuesday, June 13, 1967 in TANNERSVILLE, NY
Aircraft: PIPER PA-23, registration: N5604Y
This is the higher one on Kaaterskill; when I resided in W. Saugerties, in the early 70's, a neighbor recounted having heard the sputtering engine prior to the crash. Several people heard sirens that night as the pilot was recovered. I don't know whether he was killed right away, but I was told that he was a minister and tried to land his plane on KHP summit.
Moose
NTSB Identification: NYC67A0178
14 CFR Part 91 General Aviation
Event occurred Tuesday, June 13, 1967 in TANNERSVILLE, NY
Aircraft: PIPER PA-23, registration: N5604Y
This is the higher one on Kaaterskill; when I resided in W. Saugerties, in the early 70's, a neighbor recounted having heard the sputtering engine prior to the crash. Several people heard sirens that night as the pilot was recovered. I don't know whether he was killed right away, but I was told that he was a minister and tried to land his plane on KHP summit.
Moose
I hadn't caught this thread until just now. One only wishes the NTSB reports were slightly more informative in the matter of location--I wonder if one may request more information through FOA? I've been studying (though that word argues perhaps more focus than I've given the matter--my interest in the Catskills is very broad) the crashes of the Catskills for some years. I have a fairly substantial if hererogenous collection of newspaper clippings, USAF crash reports, etc., provided by various friends and old-timers. These provide some background on many of these crashes. The Overlook crash is there, but I have not visited it, and have no more than the NTSB reference. When I last checked my map, there were twenty crashes in the region, and I don't have them all...
I would be interested in locating the whereabouts of the Slide crash, the second Doubletop crash (not the one on the property line), the Panther crash Jay has described, and a few others.
I would be interested in locating the whereabouts of the Slide crash, the second Doubletop crash (not the one on the property line), the Panther crash Jay has described, and a few others.
The second Kaaterskill site is situated between the summit and the E lookout, and is a terrible mess, with aircraft parts scattered down a fairly steep slope. If you follow the herdpath down the the lookout (one of the great Catskill views, situated at the top a very high ledge--not to be confused with the equally sensational Hurricane Ledge view on the S) and then follow some of the herdpaths up, you will find it. It's more to the N side of the peak, as I recall, and a bit more than the thirty feet below the summit the NTSB reports.
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