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    I will continue to hike, but my impact on others is very minimal. For one, I never go out to eat, I bring my own food and coffee with me. I always have my dog with me and I don't leave him in the car to eat and such. As far as potential impact on SAR resources? I never leave plans with anyone anyway, so nobody will be looking for me. I'm single, my parents are gone and my siblings understand. I will alter my plans in one regard, there are some cool non 4K hikes, I have not done. Time to get off the crowded trails and explore some new ground.

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    After tomorrow evening, the 4Ks will have light traffic until Memorial Day weekend.

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    North Conway is a virtual ghost town. The restaurants are closed, most of the stores are closed. People up here who would normally be eating and dining out, if they have a kitchen, are eating in. Among the standard items that have been missing on the shelves, almost all of the frozen veggies were gone today. I ended up with a three pound bag of peas, I only wanted a pound, thankfully I like peas. Only other choices were green beans in a family bag, Okra and black eye peas.

    In the flurries on Tuesday, there were four or six people in the Green Hills Preserve. On Pierce today, the best day weather-wise for the last three days of winter, we saw maybe three people on our way up but maybe a dozen on our way down. No one in more than a couple of two. IMO, with a HS student, a college student commuting and a school teacher. I'm more apt to catch it at home. As discussions on possible additional restrictions are being discussed, walking your dog and hiking have been listed as possible things you can do providing you kept to other social distance rules.

    I suspect with the less than fair forecast tomorrow, I'll see less people tomorrow. Will be avoiding 4K peaks Saturday and Sunday although as the first weekend of Spring, people looking at Peakbagging for Spring, this weekend is the same as the first two in June, without the bugs.
    Have fun & be safe
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    Back in the days that TB was a threat, the northern ADK's and being outdoors was thought of as treatment for people to recover. (I'll leave the rest of hoax treatments to that other network. You get to pick the one you trust least.)
    Have fun & be safe
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikehikeskifish View Post
    After tomorrow evening, the 4Ks will have light traffic until Memorial Day weekend.
    Only the gridiots will be hiking from now on!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Rankin View Post
    Only the gridiots will be hiking from now on!
    The AMC has the Spring list now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Rankin View Post
    Only the gridiots will be hiking from now on!
    This is right around the time of year I turn to the Catskills for hiking. How is it looking out that way with snow cover, mud, river levels, etc? Based on my last trip out there several weeks ago it looked like Spring was going to break pretty early out there.
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    I have wrapped up winter activities. A couple day earlier this week I was in central Quebec, where there is still a massive snow pack, skiing fresh powder. Now I'm home in the Adirondacks, traveling in south facing areas.

    No use for spring; I always try to just throw a switch, and go right from winter to summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DayTrip View Post
    This is right around the time of year I turn to the Catskills for hiking. How is it looking out that way with snow cover, mud, river levels, etc? Based on my last trip out there several weeks ago it looked like Spring was going to break pretty early out there.
    The southern Catskills are almost free of snow and ice. Winter seems to be hanging on in the high peaks, with lots of icy trails. I've seen descriptions of '5 miles of ice', 'river of ice', 'ice fest', etc. We did not get a lot of snow this winter. Therefore the stream levels are not very high, but a lot of rain is predicted for the next few days. In the afternoons, you will have mud!

    If you do come, they are urging you avoid popular trails, and limit your interactions at gas stations, stores, etc. Restaurants and bars are closed, but some are offering takeout.
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    Cannon, Waterville Valley and Bretton Woods had announced continued operation with limited staff and services. The governor (who used to own and manage WV) had them close completely as apparently the "guests" were not following the rules in place and were abusing the staff. There is a small but significant portion of the population that just do not seem to get it and when one activity gets closed down they just go looking for another. It will be interesting to see the parking at the popular trailheads and snowmachine lots this weekend. One thing folks forget is the options for public restrooms are going to be awful slim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Rankin View Post
    The southern Catskills are almost free of snow and ice. Winter seems to be hanging on in the high peaks, with lots of icy trails. I've seen descriptions of '5 miles of ice', 'river of ice', 'ice fest', etc. We did not get a lot of snow this winter. Therefore the stream levels are not very high, but a lot of rain is predicted for the next few days. In the afternoons, you will have mud!

    If you do come, they are urging you avoid popular trails, and limit your interactions at gas stations, stores, etc. Restaurants and bars are closed, but some are offering takeout.
    Thanks for the update. I'm probably still 1-2 weeks away from heading out there for trips but looking forward to it. Had a great Spring there doing overnights last year.
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    FB post from Bayard Russell of Cathedral Mtn Guides:
    Between the two hospitals closest to Pinkham Notch, Memorial Hospital in North Conway and Androscoggin Valley Hospital in Berlin, we've got about 50 beds. In Carrol County, where North Conway is located, with a population of about 48,000 we already have 3 cases of COVID-19 unrelated to exposure to other known cases and travel. That means the disease is being transmitted within our community and there are likely many more cases we don't know about.
    Two take-aways; coming up to the mountains is not a safe alternative to staying home, and our community is ill equipped to deal with the influx and the inevitable virus commuting alongside.
    Let's just troubleshoot here for a minute. Say you come up from Boston and go skiing. You're being responsible, you think, and you don't stop on the drive, just pile out of your car in Pinkham and go ski, alone. No contact with anybody, all clean, until you crater and require a rescue. Suddenly, you are in intimate contact with as many as 20 volunteer rescuers and you're about to be loaded into an ambulance and taken to an ER in a small, rural hospital that's ill equipped to deal with you in a community that already has the coronavirus. The rescue team is going to treat you as if you have COVID-19, but we are already short on masks and may be carrying you in a litter, 6 of us at a time, bumping into each other and sweating. Almost every one of those volunteers will have a family or loved ones they are in inescapably close contact with. The circle of exposure to you, and from you to all of them, is much greater than just those hardy souls in front of you; and potentially much greater when you land in the ER.
    We’re all hurting here. This is going to be a tough time for everyone, but the only way we can keep it under control is to stay home. It sucks, but this is the going to be the challenge of our era and it will require a little sacrifice. Please help to protect the vulnerable in our our rural communities - they are people here that I love that may die because of this just as there are in all of your communities. Let’s take this seriously and hope we can look back one day and say we overreacted.
    Love to all and thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldEric View Post
    FB post from Bayard Russell of Cathedral Mtn Guides:
    Between the two hospitals closest to Pinkham Notch, Memorial Hospital in North Conway and Androscoggin Valley Hospital in Berlin, we've got about 50 beds. In Carrol County, where North Conway is located, with a population of about 48,000 we already have 3 cases of COVID-19 unrelated to exposure to other known cases and travel. That means the disease is being transmitted within our community and there are likely many more cases we don't know about.
    Two take-aways; coming up to the mountains is not a safe alternative to staying home, and our community is ill equipped to deal with the influx and the inevitable virus commuting alongside...
    I think it's reasonable to respect the well being of those denizens of the North Country whose live we might impact.

    The following is a post from Al Hospers, a Valley resident, occasional guide and professional musician who also maintains a climber's cam trained on Cathedral Ledge. I urge you to read and think about it...

    I UNDERSTAND the NH Live Free Or Die philosophy. I GET just how independent and resourceful climbers are. I HEAR those who say that they've had problems in the past and have always self-rescued and would never put others in jeopardy. And SURE, nothing's going to happen, UNTIL it does!

    Let me put a little bit of perspective on this... The virus is HERE. In fact, it's been here! We just didn't know it. And yes, it's where YOU ARE TOO! You may not realize it yet, but almost assuredly someone you know IS POSITIVE! Yup, this is NOT A HOAX. No matter what the news says, or has said. And no, this is NOT THE FLU. It's way worse. The only reason we aren't seeing the numbers that China saw and that Italy is seeing now, is because we haven't been testing. Not in big numbers yet. Let's not point fingers as to why that is the case, just accept that it is. There are positive cases in Fryeburg Maine in the schools, there is a case at the Attitash Grand Summit in Glen and there is a positive case of a Doctor at MEMORIAL HOSPITAL in North Conway. And that doctor has possibly infected an administrator at the local nursing home! How many people do you think those people have had contact with? I'll answer that rhetorical question - MANY!

    Here's some other info for you:

    Most if not all local guide services are CLOSED.
    REI is CLOSED.
    The bars and restaurants in the area are CLOSED. Yes ALL the bars!
    All the schools are CLOSED.
    Settlers Green is CLOSED
    Even the local music store is CLOSED!


    In these strange new times we are living through it's not just about you and your desire to hike. For better or worse, we are all in this together.

    Visit Hosper's Climbing Newsletter for more...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldEric View Post
    FB post from Bayard Russell of Cathedral Mtn Guides:
    Between the two hospitals closest to Pinkham Notch, Memorial Hospital in North Conway and Androscoggin Valley Hospital in Berlin, we've got about 50 beds. In Carrol County, where North Conway is located, with a population of about 48,000 we already have 3 cases of COVID-19 unrelated to exposure to other known cases and travel. That means the disease is being transmitted within our community and there are likely many more cases we don't know about.
    Two take-aways; coming up to the mountains is not a safe alternative to staying home, and our community is ill equipped to deal with the influx and the inevitable virus commuting alongside.
    Let's just troubleshoot here for a minute. Say you come up from Boston and go skiing. You're being responsible, you think, and you don't stop on the drive, just pile out of your car in Pinkham and go ski, alone. No contact with anybody, all clean, until you crater and require a rescue. Suddenly, you are in intimate contact with as many as 20 volunteer rescuers and you're about to be loaded into an ambulance and taken to an ER in a small, rural hospital that's ill equipped to deal with you in a community that already has the coronavirus. The rescue team is going to treat you as if you have COVID-19, but we are already short on masks and may be carrying you in a litter, 6 of us at a time, bumping into each other and sweating. Almost every one of those volunteers will have a family or loved ones they are in inescapably close contact with. The circle of exposure to you, and from you to all of them, is much greater than just those hardy souls in front of you; and potentially much greater when you land in the ER.
    We’re all hurting here. This is going to be a tough time for everyone, but the only way we can keep it under control is to stay home. It sucks, but this is the going to be the challenge of our era and it will require a little sacrifice. Please help to protect the vulnerable in our our rural communities - they are people here that I love that may die because of this just as there are in all of your communities. Let’s take this seriously and hope we can look back one day and say we overreacted.
    Love to all and thank you.
    So, I'm not supposed to go hiking because I might become injured and then be sent to a hospital which is overloaded? This has got to be the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on this website, and I've been here for about 17 years.
    Last edited by maineguy; 03-20-2020 at 12:49 PM.

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