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    9 Circles of Hiker Hell

    Funny, and also true, from Outside magazine.

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    9 Circles of Hiker Hell

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    I've seen this before, not sure where, but #1 is surely debatable (search the archives).

    Wild flowers, I think you can pick a small quantity, right? I know in NY you can pick berries, or ramps, etc. for personal consumption.

    And I guess I'm condemned, I feed the Gray Jays!
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    Yielding to those walking faster, sure. But the uphill/downhill thing is arbitrary and bogus, IMO. And I feed the Jays as well.

    It's missing postholing, which should be close to the inner circle, except fortunately for those folks a lot of their punishment is here on earth. Postholing on ski trails is the worst. No reference to unleashed dogs either, that's a clear oversight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Metsky View Post
    But the uphill/downhill thing is arbitrary and bogus, IMO.
    Honestly, I prefer to yield to people going downhill as it gives me a chance to catch a breath without having to admit that I really need it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Metsky View Post
    Yielding to those walking faster, sure. But the uphill/downhill thing is arbitrary and bogus, IMO.
    I'm not sure it is arbitrary, it's more difficult to regain momentum when heading uphill and the downhill hiker has a better view of the trail to locate an appropriate place to pull aside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Metsky View Post
    Yielding to those walking faster, sure. But the uphill/downhill thing is arbitrary and bogus, IMO.
    Driving on the right side of the road is also arbitrary...some things are arbitrary but you really need a societal agreement.

    Clicking the quote button on IamKrzys's post isn't getting the quote in here, so I'll just say: uphill having RoW means that, when uphill is gassed and wants to take a break, they get the chance to be the good guy and yield RoW. Everybody's happy, brief "no you, no you" and along we go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshandBaron View Post
    I'm not sure it is arbitrary, it's more difficult to regain momentum when heading uphill and the downhill hiker has a better view of the trail to locate an appropriate place to pull aside.
    I find it a lot that it depends on the terrain and where it is good to stop. Sometimes whether your uphill or downhill your just in a better place to pull over than the other guy. I personally don’t get my panties up my crack about it. I have had bc Skiers on a two way trail and even within groomed XC centers say just the opposite of hikers and get all pissy about it at the same time. Again I find it is just the situation of your position. Be considerate to the next guy whether he is uphill or downhill.
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    I prefer small groups yield to large groups, that way fewer people step off the trail. An arbitrary choice would be fine if there was a need, but I don't really see the need for a rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iAmKrzys View Post
    Honestly, I prefer to yield to people going downhill as it gives me a chance to catch a breath without having to admit that I really need it!
    It also lets you look courteous at the same time !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Rankin View Post
    Wild flowers, I think you can pick a small quantity, right?

    And I guess I'm condemned, I feed the Gray Jays!
    As Depeche Mode reminds us, everything counts in large amounts. If people thought it appropriate to pick trillium to put behind their ears for a selfie, every flower within sight of a trail would be gone before 9am. A simpler rule is to say, "if you find it in the woods, leave it there."

    As for feeding birds, here's what the NPS has to say:
    "Do not feed birds or any other wildlife in national parks. This is dangerous to you and the animal, and it’s against the law."
    https://www.nps.gov/subjects/watchingwildlife/gear.htm

    Dave & Tom, you both seem like smart, decent people. The Parks Service asks you not to feed birds, so please don't feed them. It's illegal, and it's bad for them. Plus, when you die, you don't want to go to hiker hell.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by B the Hiker View Post
    Plus, when you die, you don't want to go to hiker hell.
    I'm a VFTT Moderator. I'm already in hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B the Hiker View Post
    As Depeche Mode reminds us, everything counts in large amounts. If people thought it appropriate to pick trillium to put behind their ears for a selfie, every flower within sight of a trail would be gone before 9am. A simpler rule is to say, "if you find it in the woods, leave it there."

    As for feeding birds, here's what the NPS has to say:
    "Do not feed birds or any other wildlife in national parks. This is dangerous to you and the animal, and it’s against the law."
    https://www.nps.gov/subjects/watchingwildlife/gear.htm

    Dave & Tom, you both seem like smart, decent people. The Parks Service asks you not to feed birds, so please don't feed them. It's illegal, and it's bad for them. Plus, when you die, you don't want to go to hiker hell.

    Thanks!
    It's also bad etiquette to crack open a can of tuna fish in a lean-to that your hiking party is staying in but, it doesn't matter because, you are tenting..
    Not illegal but, you get the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B the Hiker View Post
    As for feeding birds, here's what the NPS has to say:
    "Do not feed birds or any other wildlife in national parks. This is dangerous to you and the animal, and itís against the law."
    https://www.nps.gov/subjects/watchingwildlife/gear.htm
    Quote Originally Posted by B the Hiker View Post
    It's illegal, and it's bad for them.
    I've never looked into this before, so I was curious what the bird feeding 'rules' are. As with many things, the answer is 'it depends': https://www.audubon.org/news/when-it...not-feed-birds. In general, when in doubt, don't feed them as it could mess up their breeding cycles or change their behavior in disadvantageous ways. In the case of the Gray [Canada] Jay, driving a car to the trail head likely does more harm than feeding them as climate change will likely lead to habitat reduction. Plus, they are scavenger hoarders caching lots of food: https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/canada-jay. Since the Gray Jay will actually hunt other birds and scavenge nests, feeding them could potentially help other birds.
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    When it comes to passing other people on the trail I think the more delicate situation is when a slightly faster hiker catches up to someone else who is a bit slower ascending a narrow trail. Then it is really all about courtesy of the person (or a group of people) up front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshandBaron View Post
    I'm not sure it is arbitrary, it's more difficult to regain momentum when heading uphill and the downhill hiker has a better view of the trail to locate an appropriate place to pull aside.
    Quick search finds REI, American Alpine Institute, Modern Hiker, Lonely Planet, American Hiking Society, Colorado 14ers, Wiki "Trail Ethics," Zion National Park, etc., etc. all saying uphill hiker has right of way. I couldn't find any sources saying downhill hikers have right of way.

    Reasons include momentum and field of vision. Of course conditions and situations may vary.

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