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I am working on a story for the Adirondack Explorer about people who have had to spend an unplanned night out in the woods in the Adirondacks during cold weather. I'm interested in knowing what happened, what gear you had, what gear you wished you had, what gear proved most useful. If you're willing to talk to me for the story, please contact me at [email protected]

Thanks.
 
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Wow-

This thread has been up here for a while, and there are no responses! Either we are all very well-prepared hikers, or we are unwilling to admit to our failures to "the press"...
 
The Adirondack Explorer is not a commercial magazine. It is a nonprofit organization and a highly respected advocate for the Adirondacks.
 
Just havin' a little fun. I didn't realize it was a non-profit. Is that correct? Do the subscription fees go to ADK stuff like trail work, advocacy, etc?

If they do that sort of thing, it should probably be more widely publicized here on VFTT.

Perhaps the editor can respond?
 
Peakbagr said:
Just havin' a little fun. I didn't realize it was a non-profit. Is that correct? Do the subscription fees go to ADK stuff like trail work, advocacy, etc?

If they do that sort of thing, it should probably be more widely publicized here on VFTT.

Perhaps the editor can respond?

Yes, the Explorer is a nonprofit publication. We focus on environmental issues, outdoor recreation, wildlife and people in the Park. You can find out more on our Web site: www.adirondackexplorer.org.

To respond to another post, I have not been inundated with private messages. So if you have an experience you want to share, please let me know.

Thanks.

Phil
 
I have not had any unplanned nights out either. Since this is a small (when compared to the whole hiking community) group of hikers who spend more time than the the vast majority of the whole hiking community doing hiking related things; reading, blogging, planning & actually hiking.

Overall I have to think you would be hard pressed to find a more prepared group of people. Accidents & mishaps do happen from time to time though.

The over all prepardness & knowledge overall on this board is one of the reasons I still post over on AMC's site & AlpineZone. Some of the folks there need help planning & with questions on gear, routes, etc. For many things that come up here it's like preaching to the choir.

We debate if a scratch on a rock is done by crampon or pole, while in other circles people wonder how kind they are being to animals when they leave their leftover food & how helpful they are for leaving litter so birds can take pieces to build nest. (Or if every mountain had a road or train up it, more people could enjoy the view. :D )
 
I also have never had unplanned night out (well, after hiking anyways... :p )
Interesingly, I do not know anyone who has either...

I think a lot of us are expereienced enough and careful enought to carry the gear that would get us thru - but I am very aware of this potential situation, especially when soloing...a bad ankle turn at 3pm in the late fall could keep you out...

I am sure the first time I have to do this will be the time I don't take a tarp, bivy sack, extra food, filter and warm clothes...for now, all of that stuff has made my pack heavier, my excercise harder, and my comfort level if anything went wrong high!
 
Long live turn back times!

Then again an accident can happen forcing somebody into a bivey situation due to an injury.

Long live the emergency sleeping bag, pad and bivey sack.
 
I enjoy Adirondack Explorer and look forward to future issues. The paper and Editor offer excellent perspectives on ADK outdoor issues and are very supportive of our hiking community. I recall pointing Phil to our site several years ago, and I'm always happy to read his posts.

Sounds like a fun article -- fresh appoach.
 
I have never had an unplanned night out, though I have had some late nights out. The closest I have come occurred many years ago when I was asked to escort two "victims" to a site where they could wait out a practice S&R by the CAP. The "victims" were both young and we didn't feel comfortable leaving them out alone so we hung around until they were rescued. They had packs with them and we got a fire started for them but then we had to disappear to help create more of a realistic simulation for the rescue team. Both my buddy and I had gone out carrying small fanny packs with some basics and because it was very warm during the day I hadn't brought a jacket. The S&R team took a much longer time to find them then we had been told (our bad..now I know better how this works). So, we huddled together and took turns wearing the coat that he had brought. I wish I had brought a jacket and more food. Nowadays I won't leave, even on a short day hike without a small pouch of emergency items, a poncho or small tarp, rain gear and warm clothing. Also food that I know I will eat. Live and learn.
 
I will e-mail about personal experience and also a link about some climbers who spent an unplanned night out in a blizzard on Mt. Washington while climbing in Tuckerman's Ravine. Another hiker caught without any protection in the same storm did not survive. Carrrying a lightweight yet weatherproof /resistant bivy in one's pack, can give an added peace of mind to a daytip into the mountains.
 
jime said:
I wish I had brought a jacket and more food. Nowadays I won't leave, even on a short day hike without a small pouch of emergency items, a poncho or small tarp, rain gear and warm clothing. Also food that I know I will eat. Live and learn.
People frequently ask me why my (dayhike) pack is so big (2000 cu in, typ ~15lbs)...

Never had to bivy, but I frequently get back to the car after dark, once solo at 2:30 am in winter. (The ski out (12 easy mi after sunset) was enjoyable--the only hard part was the 3hr drive back home...)

Doug
 
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I've one time spent an unexpected night out. Back in my early days of solo canoe camping, must have been in the 70's, I had paddled my big aluminum canoe toward the east end of Stillwater Reservoir. There is a protected channel leading to a small flooded lake on the south side, called Loon Lake. A storm blew in and trapped me on the island, not really a bad place to be. Not unless you count being surrounded by the loudest and largest bull frogs I'd ever heard. They kept me awake all night, but they made a mighty fine hot breakfast in the morning rain. :D

I had told my wife before I left that the weather forecast did not look good, so if it bagan to blow I would plan to stay safe until it cleared. That was a wise choice, because I stayed there most of the next day. Finally I decided to give it a try to leave so I could get back to the parking lot before dark. That was almost a mistake, because when I paddled out from the channel into the main fetch of Stillwater I had all I could do to keep from being blown downwind farther east. I was not yet particularly experienced and did not trim the canoe as it should have been. I could not turn the canoe and paddled as hard as I could, only to remain parallel to the waves :eek: until reacing the north shore. I finally turned into the wind and hugged the north shore until the wind softened as I paddled toward home.



Another time I did not spend an unexpected night out, but came close to needing to make a natural shelter to keep warm on one very cold late October night.

Quite a few years ago as a fairly young solo wilderness traveler I had my sleeping bag strapped to an external frame backpack while on a bushwhack deep in the Five Ponds Wilderness. I used old style straps, with a metal toothed clasp to tighten down on the sleeping bag. There was also a metal keeper that the loose end of the tight strap was supposed to go under. To get to the zippered food pouch I had to loosen the sleeping bag straps. Usually I took the time to refasten it properly. After a snack near the end of a really hard day of hiking I sloppily didn't bother with the second keeper.

The sun had set on one of those cool crisp crystal clear late October days, but I had a destination in mind at the shore of a small pond that looked from the map might make a good campsite. Ordinarily I should have noticed the significant missing weight of the sleeping bag. Being tired, I guess, I did not feel the lighter than usual backpack until I arrived at the site. My sleeping bag was gone!

I had two choices with three possibilities... I could accept that I could not possiblly hope to retrace my compass heading to find the sleeping bag before dark. That meant I would have to gather dry leaves and grass for a shelter under a fallen tree right where I was. I had a year or two before been through Air Force Survival School where I had learned to do exactly that in similar conditions, so I felt confident enough in my skills.

Or I could try to head back and hope that I could remember the exact trees I passed by until I found the sleeping bag, and set up my camp there. Third and worse, I might not find the bag at all and be back to option #1 at a less than optimum site in the dark with fewer natural materials than were available near the pond.

The one factor that drove me to go back was I remember slipping while climbing a slope and hitting the ground hard. Maybe that is where the bag fell. If I could get back to that slope again I think I can find exactly where I was and hopefully find my warm bag.

Sure enough, there I found my sleeping bag. It was nearly totally dark by the time I got my camp set up, and ate my dinner thanking my lucky stars on that frosty night.

The lesson I learned on this one is to never take short cuts in stowing and securing gear for any reason. Being tired is not an excuse, but if fatigue gets that bad I should learn to recognize when to stop. I never did that again, always taking care with properly tying and putting gear away.

Each time I went out like that I learned another lesson of some kind. Most mistakes were minor, or I was lucky. But they all add up to make some interesting memories.
 
The best way to be prepared for an unplanned night in the woods is to plan on it. I find, at least during the summer and shoulder seasons, that I can be confidently prepared with an adequately stocked fanny pack. In some cases that means know-how rather than gear since it is possible to so overload on gear that you increase your odds of falling behind schedule. I've only had one unplanned night in the mountains (not the 'Dacks) and, although it was damp, it wasn't that bad ... in fact, an overall enjoyable occasion.
 
I've come close a couple of times, but thankfully I haven't had to do it yet. So far I have always been lucky / determined enough to get out. That includes hopping out several miles with a fractured leg, severe hypothermia, and getting down from treeline in the North Presies at night with no headlamp - seperate occasions, if they had happenned all at once, I might have bit the bullet and stayed out. ;)

My only real unplanned night time adventure was in the Presies and involved Columbus Day (US) / Thanksgiving (Canada) weekend, no tent sites or space at the Perch, and me, 3 of my friends, and 43 other people at Grey Knob. Those that have stayed at Grey Knob know that the capacity is generally somewhat less than 47. :(

None of these adventures happened in the ADKs, so I guess it doesn't help you.

- darren
 
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