Saratoga school student stranded by flood waters of Johns and Orebed Brooks

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Here's a cut and paste from an email message ADK Executive Director Neil Woodworth sent to myself and others about the safe resolution of a rescue of Saratoga HS students and coach for the flood waters of JBL and
Orebed Brook. Neil has been monitoring this thru a radio connection between the ADK Warming Hut crew. The Warming Hut crew stayed on overnight
on Sunday evening so they could stay in contact with the "outside world". The warming Hut folks are to be thanked for their efforts in keeping the hikers from trying to ford the very dangerous brooks.
ADK does lots of things behind the scenes that we are unaware of. This was my idea to post, not Neil's.
Peakbagr


Dear colleagues,
I enclose a news story about a rescue of some young people that were staying
at Grace Camp and Camp Peggy O'Brien this past weekend. Our JBL winter host
crew Gene Reilley, Michael Cashin and Bill Schollenberger performed an
invaluable service and stayed in an extra night to enable the forest rangers
to stay in contact with the two groups of young people and their adult
leaders.
The bridge over Johns Brook, connecting both camps to the Phelps trail
between JBL and the Garden was swept downstream on Saturday and both Slide
Brook and Orebed Brook were at flood stage and unsafe to cross until 10 am
this morning. The only communication between the youth groups and the
outside world was maintained by shouting back and forth across Johns Brook
at the Goodwin Lean-to site to the winter hosts and then by the winter hosts
relaying the message by the JBL radio to Mike Humphries and Holly Brooks at
the base station at Adirondac Loj.
Forest Rangers Jim Giglinto, Charlie Platt and Scott Van Lear did a great
getting into the JBL ranger station Sunday afternoon and arranging the
evacuation of everyone staying at Grace Camp and Camp O'Brien this morning.
In the meantime, I had talked to both the DEC superintendent of Forest
Rangers Andrew Jacobs and DEC region 5 Forest Ranger Lt. Brian Dubay and
various press reporters that were calling. I stayed in contact with the
parents till late last night. The Saratogian article reference to building
a bridge was an error by the reporter, I said that in an emergency, the
rangers and ADK could rig a high line for evacuation if the waters levels
failed to drop in a reasonable time.

Facilities Manager Mike Humphries and Front Desk Supervisor Holly Brooks did
a great job keeping me informed and ensuring that we were in regular contact
with the JBL hosts and the forest rangers.

Kudos to the winter host crew, our North Country staff and the forest
rangers, a great job done. Now, we just have to replace the bridge! See
emails and news article below.

Neil

Neil F. Woodworth
Executive Director
Adirondack Mountain Club

4/4/05 10:15am

Lisa from DEC dispatch in Ray Brook called the Adirondak Loj and relayed a
message from Jim Giglinto that "everyone is accounted for and they are out
of JBL".


04/04/2005
Washed-out bridge strands Saratoga crew team
CHRISTOPHER DIAKOPOULOS , The Saratogian

SARATOGA SPRINGS -- Ten members of the Saratoga Rowing Association's boys
crew team spent an unplanned night of wilderness cabin camping in the high
peaks Sunday after the collapse of a foot-bridge washed out plans of
returning home in time for school today.
Neil Woodworth, the executive director of the Adirondack Mountain Club, said
the boys would be staying an extra night or two at Camp Peggy O'Brien until
park rangers could repair the bridge but stressed that the kids, along with
their coach, were in no danger.

'We're making sure they stay put, right where they are, and that they not
attempt to cross any waterways,' Woodworth said. 'We can get them supplies
if we need to. It's a practice of ours to have winter hosts, who spend
winter weekends in the John's Brook Valley for reasons just like this.'

Woodworth said communication from the crew team and another stranded group
had been passed along to him via radio from the winter hosts, who had been
able to shout across the 30-foot-wide brook to the team.

'All the parents have been notified,' said Dennis De-Jonghe, co-president of
the SRA, whose son, Evan, is one of the kids stuck across the flooded
stream.

DeJonghe said the trip was something the group has done before and that he
wasn't worried about his son's safe return.

'The cabin they stay at is about three and a half miles in from the parking
area,' DeJonghe said. 'They've done a lot of winter hikes. It's good
training for them -- nothing like teamwork on a boat. This is probably an
adventure for them and I'm sure they'll have a good story to tell. I'm sure
they're not complaining about missing school.'

Parent Lynn Schumann, whose son, Jeff, is also stuck, seemed to agree.

'I'm very comfortable with the coach, the kids, the Adirondack Mountain Club
and park rangers and how they're handling things,' she said. 'It sounds like
they're fine.'

Schumann said she heard the news from the team's emergency contact, Russ
Otto, who had been in contact with Woodworth.

Another parent, Mark Sutton, whose son, Jonathan, is also on the trip said
that he wasn't worried either.

'They have a very competent coach and they've been in contact with the
rangers,' he said. 'I don't think there's any problem, just getting across
the creek when the water subsides.'

Woodworth said the bridge was likely to be rebuilt today if the rushing
floodwaters allowed, or on Tuesday. Food isn't an issue he said, because the
AMC has plenty of experience moving gear across streams using highlines.

'We can get them supplies if we need to, and the New York state forest
rangers are on the case, too,' he said.

April 3, 2005 2:38 p.m. email from Loj front desk supervisor Holly Brooks
 
WOW,

Come to think of it, I've always thought that bridge was a little unsteady and flimsy. I can imagine how JB was flowing, what with all the rain AND the runoff. Once your "on that side" with the camps and lean-to's not, your pretty much there as it's a rock hop at best in low river times for miles in either direction.

I suppose if worst came to worst, they could've all walked along the southside trail all the way down into Keene Valley. Glad to here it would out and kudos to those that took part. That's a river not to be trifled with when "it's angry".

Thanks for posting it.
 
Tim,

They were cut off from the South Side trail as well. That was an option that was looked at yesterday afternoon. The ADK camps are on a peninsula of land, high enough to be safe, but with raging rain and meltwater cutting off any escape.
The Rangers looked at every possibility, and none were safe. The warming crew was shouting over the raging Johns Brook, instructing the hikers to go back to Peggy O'Brien camp and stay there until the Rangers got to them today. Our concern was that they'd try to get out and there could have been a tragedy.
 
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That's right, I forgot the Orebed comes in below that point. WOW, they are lucky. Smart coach to keep them from trying to do something foolish. I know the feeling of thinking you "need to get to other side" and having to really fight the urge to just "got for it". Things can get out of hand in a REAL hurry. Litterally finding oneself "down (insert name ;) ) creek, without a paddle".

Smarts and patience, it's almost always the correct solution to a backcountry dillema.
 
Ted sent an email msg out a short time ago to the 3500 leaders board.
Said rte 42 is closed down to Deep Notch, other roads as well.
He's probably right on with his guess that the log "bridge" over the Neversink for acess to Lone and Rocky has now been washed miles downstream.
 
I read this today. This is a case in point of a group being prepared, having the experienced leadership in place, and using all of the above to make a sound decision. Kudos indeed to all involved, especially the team leaders.

However, let's also remember ...

Peakbagr said:
ADK does lots of things behind the scenes that we are unaware of.

This is happening on THEIR property!!! This is what any lodge, resort, or property owner would do to save their own bacon.

This doesn't register in my book as swooping in to save the innocent damsel in distress. Not that they don't do plenty good, and they do, but this is a case of altruism, liability control, and public relations rolled into one package.

But they did great anyway you slice it...
 
There's another bridge a couple miles upstream. What's the condition of that one?

It would be a bushwhack to get to from those cabins ... unless they wanted to follow the trail via Saddleback and Basin ... which I think would require an Ore Brook crossing, too.

What would you rather do ... camp out with your buddies or go back to school ... at least until the food ran out.
 
Doc,

All of that is true of course. But first and foremost, ADK was worried about kids being kids and trying to find a way to ford that torrent.
The hero's are the warming hut crew from Albany ADK who stayed over and kept those folks staying where they were. Next would be ADK folks on the radio with the warming hut crew relaying what was going on to ADK Neil Woodworth who was in contact with Rangers, Police and worried parents all day yesterday.
You said it right...altruism, risk management and public relations all coinciding, and in that order.

PB
 
From today's Saratogian newspaper, an article on the stranded students:


Stranded rowing team returns safely from Adirondacks

CHRISTOPHER DIAKOPOULOS, The Saratogian 04/05/2005

SARATOGA SPRINGS -- Members of the Saratoga Racing Association boys
rowing team returned home safely Monday from a weekend hiking and
camping trip in the Adirondacks after being forced to camp-out an extra
night because a bridge washed out.

'On our way up, coach said he might not get back out of here,' Evan De
Jonghe said of the trip. 'I thought he was just joking. The next morning
when we woke up, someone from another group told us the bridge had been
washed out.'

Coach Jason Boyce and 11 local rowers spent part of the day Sunday
looking for an alternate route out of the John's Brook valley, southeast
of Lake Placid in the high-peaks region of the Adirondacks. They found
they were penned in by flooding streams.

New York state Park Rangers had been notified of the situation Sunday
and were on hand Monday to help the two groups find a way across. By
Monday, the flood waters had receded and the groups were able to ford
the smaller Orebed Brook and cross a high-water suspension bridge back
over John's Brook.

'After that, we had to hike back through a foot and a half of snow,' De
Jonghe said. 'It was scary going over the bridge, but after that, we
were home free.'

Good planning and communication by the Adirondack Mountain Club, which
owns the camp the boys were staying at, seemed to have calmed parental
fears Sunday. The club maintains winter hosts in areas like John's Brook
Valley for exactly these sorts of situations, said ADK Executive
Director Neil Woodworth.

The hosts were able to get in touch with the rangers and communicate
with the groups by throwing notes wrapped around rocks across the brook.
The rushing flood waters were too loud for shouted messages to be heard.

'I knew they were in good hands,' said Dennis De Jonghe, SRA
co-president and father of Evan. 'But I was still apprehensive until
after talking with the Adirondack Loj people.'

De Jonghe and his son see the experience the same way now.

'I am relieved to be home,' Evan De Jonghe said, 'but it was a fun
experience, a good story.'

(c)The Saratogian 2005
 
Credit where due . . .

Peakbagr said:
. . .
The hero's are the warming hut crew from Albany ADK who stayed over and kept those folks staying where they were. Next would be ADK folks on the radio with the warming hut crew relaying what was going on to ADK Neil Woodworth who was in contact with Rangers, Police and worried parents all day yesterday. . . .

Well, this is true. It's good to credit the ADK and its people, the rangers, etc. But it also appears that the kids who found themselves stranded were well prepared, well led and well disciplined. They got in a jam, but their preparation, leadership and self control helped immensely in keeping the situation from realizing its worst potential.

Hats off to all!

G.
 
Does anyone else find it a bit ironic that these boys were stranded by high water the one time they went somewhere together without their boat?

Good story, happy ending.
 
Tramper Al said:
Does anyone else find it a bit ironic that these boys were stranded by high water the one time they went somewhere together without their boat?

Good story, happy ending.

Great observation!

G.
 
Uh oh. A new sport is born. White water skulling. Winning team would be based on the weight of how much boat they have left by the time the make it downstream. Pretty cool for a team of flat water racers to cross train in the winter mountains.
 
20/20 hindsight

Did anyone else read this story and put themselves in the trip leader's place:

"Well, it sure has been raining a lot, the forecast is for more heavy rain this weekend, lots of snow is melting, and we have some water crossings on the way back... maybe we should put this trip off for a week just to be safe."

Sometimes situations like this can be avoided, and sometimes they are unexpected. I wasn't there so I can't make that call. I for one specifically decided not to hike last weekend because the weather was so nasty and there was just so much water flowing.

Can we learn anything from what happened?
 
Considering the construction of the bridge over John's Brook, I would not expect that bridge to wash out. A log or tree washing downstream must have hit it to take it out.

I might have reconsidered routes involving rock hopping over streams this past weekend, but I would not have thought the route those campers took to be at risk.
 
I seem to remember flash flood watches posted since the Thursday before the weekend. Common sense, a trait lacking in a lot of wilderness pilgrims, was just not there at all. If this was NH, these endowed young preps would be paying the state back. With that said, at least everyone got out uninjured.
 
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