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    Quote Originally Posted by Puma concolor View Post
    Thread needs a healthy dose of State Troopers doing the State Trooper thing.

    Maine State Trooper issues speeding ticket
    I'd heard that was a staged training video showed at the State Police academy. Every time I've been pulled over by a state trooper, they've started off cranky, but lighten up a bit while they are writing up my ticket. I've gotten a lecture a time or two. Maybe I've deserved it, maybe not. I consider a fine paying for my privilege to drive as I want. I've noticed as I've grown older that I don't get pulled over as often. One silver haired gentleman told me once you get a certain age, you become invisible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by egilbe View Post
    I'd heard that was a staged training video showed at the State Police academy. Every time I've been pulled over by a state trooper, they've started off cranky, but lighten up a bit while they are writing up my ticket. I've gotten a lecture a time or two. Maybe I've deserved it, maybe not. I consider a fine paying for my privilege to drive as I want. I've noticed as I've grown older that I don't get pulled over as often. One silver haired gentleman told me once you get a certain age, you become invisible.
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    I've been to Baxter I think 9 or 10 times now over the past 6 years and every experience except one was excellent. Last year at the North Gate the attendant asked if I had a gate/parking pass. I normally print out everything to have handy because they seem to have no connection to the reservation system there (I basically read all the information off my QR coded reservation to the guy). For some reason I did not have it and after some back and forth the guy said "Hey you know what? At some point we all have to trust each other" and gave me the pass with no evidence of purchase. And he was very polite and professional about it the whole time. All of my interactions with the gate staff, rangers and others has been excellent. Young and old alike.

    My only bad experience was I believe the Summer of 2019 at Roaring Brook (of course with my wife who went for the first time based on my rantings about how amazing Baxter is). And the issue really wasn't rude employees. It was no employees. I don't think I saw a single person for my entire 4 day visit anywhere, including the ranger station. And the campground, outhouses, etc. were filthy. I believe this coincided with the appointment of a new director so I took it as a "one of", transitional aberration, and it appears like it was. Haven't had any issues since. I guess we'll see how it goes in August when I return.
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    I have never seen that video before, oh my God. That state trooper deserves a medal for his patience. I can't believe that dude didn't get arrested, he would have deserved it.
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    I have enjoyed Baxter since the early 80s. The first ten years or so the staffing was very consistent, especially the backcountry rangers, met the same ones every year and learned a lot from them.Since then the staff turns over frequently, I seem to meet new rangers every year, and often they have less knowledge/experience of the park beyond their specific station or location. That being said I have rarely encountered staff who were unpleasant or "cranky" A few bad days perhaps over 40 years is understandable. Love the park, understanding the strict regs are not for everyone, I can't wait to get back there this year after a covid miss last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikePS View Post
    I can't wait to get back there this year after a covid miss last year.
    Agreed. Haven't been since September 2019

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    All Park employees wear name tags.
    Without naming the person you're complaining about I doubt anyone spent more than a minute thinking about your letter.
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    we were "spoken to*" by a BSP Ranger a few years ago, while camping in a Roaring Brook lean-to ...

    while we were there, two baby bears had been ransacking Roaring Brook area for several days ... we were relaxing at our site one afternoon when a baby bear appeared and jumped up on our picnic table ... two Rangers were running down a path in chase (felt like we were in a Yogi Bear movie), and the bear assessed that he had enough time to scout our site for food ... he knocked the top off our stove, then opened our cooler, then ran off into the woods ...

    the Rangers approached us with a stunned look on their face, and asked why we didn't grab the bear ...

    that seemed like an excellent suggestion, so i grabbed a beer from our cooler ... *turns out they were only looking after our best interests
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    Quote Originally Posted by arm View Post
    we were "spoken to*" by a BSP Ranger a few years ago, while camping in a Roaring Brook lean-to ...

    while we were there, two baby bears had been ransacking Roaring Brook area for several days ... we were relaxing at our site one afternoon when a baby bear appeared and jumped up on our picnic table ... two Rangers were running down a path in chase (felt like we were in a Yogi Bear movie), and the bear assessed that he had enough time to scout our site for food ... he knocked the top off our stove, then opened our cooler, then ran off into the woods ...

    the Rangers approached us with a stunned look on their face, and asked why we didn't grab the bear ...

    that seemed like an excellent suggestion, so i grabbed a beer from our cooler ... *turns out they were only looking after our best interests
    Reminds me of the first time they let me in back in the 60’s or so. Everyone followed the rules. If you were nice they would let you come back in the Winter. But you better have good friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skiguy View Post
    Reminds me of the first time they let me in back in the 60’s or so. Everyone followed the rules. If you were nice they would let you come back in the Winter. But you better have good friends.
    After volunteering up there for longer periods of time I realized I could not work there. Dealing with some members of the public would be just too much.

    Like the jerks who can't leave the family mutt at home and then plead the "Therapy Dog" defense at the gate. They get all nasty and argumentative when denied entry and tie up the line spewing bullishit and baloney at the gate person.

    Then there's the drunks. I was surprised how many "campers" get loaded when the sun goes down. Once at Kidney Pond a visibly impaired guy showed up at the ranger cabin three times in an hour requesting a new mantel for his cabin's lantern. The ranger finally said no more and went over and installed the fourth mantel himself.

    On the way he saw another drunk ripping branches off a small pine tree for a camp fire and confronted the guy who denied. When the ranger said "I just saw you do it" the guy admitted it. (Note: Fire wood is free.)

    It's a long season up there. And unless you walk a mile in their boots I'd be hesitant to criticize them too much.
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    Firewood is no longer free, although there are no rules about picking up deadfall and bringing it back to camp. I usually bring my hand saw and find a pull out along the road and load up prior to heading back to camp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisB View Post
    After volunteering up there for longer periods of time I realized I could not work there. Dealing with some members of the public would be just too much.

    Like the jerks who can't leave the family mutt at home and then plead the "Therapy Dog" defense at the gate. They get all nasty and argumentative when denied entry and tie up the line spewing bullishit and baloney at the gate person.

    Then there's the drunks. I was surprised how many "campers" get loaded when the sun goes down. Once at Kidney Pond a visibly impaired guy showed up at the ranger cabin three times in an hour requesting a new mantel for his cabin's lantern. The ranger finally said no more and went over and installed the fourth mantel himself.

    On the way he saw another drunk ripping branches off a small pine tree for a camp fire and confronted the guy who denied. When the ranger said "I just saw you do it" the guy admitted it. (Note: Fire wood is free.)

    It's a long season up there. And unless you walk a mile in their boots I'd be hesitant to criticize them too much.
    This brings back memories of my time working at a Florida State Park. "Interpreting" and protecting the park from the visitors was high priority. There was of course the ever present issue of the casual disposal of trash but what I recall most vividly was the need to protect the local fauna, especially the snakes, from the patrons. There were several species of non-venomous snakes including a brown water snake that resembled a water moccasin. You would think people would avoid a snake they thought (incorrectly) was venomous, but no, they hit them with sticks, threw stones at them and generally persecuted them no matter how often we tried to educate them (the patrons that is, not the snakes, although the comprehension rate was probably equivalent).

    We also did have venomous snakes including the deadly coral snake which was present in small numbers. I found someone off trail one day rooting around with his bare hands in the forest detritus. He told me he had just seen the prettiest snake and was looking for it. I told him he should be glad that he did not find it and even happier that it did not find him.

    Oh yes, and then there were the drunks. Weekends bad, holiday weekends the worst. It was a beautiful park encompassing several natural springs, cool clear water, and a nice 3 mile run that the public was allowed to float down in tubes. Interacting with the public required great patience and a sense of humor. One young woman complained to me that it was really stupid of the park to make this a one way ride. "Why didn't you make it go around in a circle?" she asked with a straight face. What can you say in reply? I just smiled and shrugged my shoulders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey J View Post
    It was a beautiful park encompassing several natural springs, cool clear water, and a nice 3 mile run that the public was allowed to float down in tubes. Interacting with the public required great patience and a sense of humor. One young woman complained to me that it was really stupid of the park to make this a one way ride. "Why didn't you make it go around in a circle?" she asked with a straight face. What can you say in reply? I just smiled and shrugged my shoulders.
    I've said this here before but I'll never forget the customer who came into the local outfitter I worked for awhile asking about "The Mount Washington". He was inquiring about how long it took for the boat to get to the top.Click image for larger version. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiguy View Post
    I've said this here before but I'll never forget the customer who came into the local outfitter I worked for awhile asking about "The Mount Washington". He was inquiring about how long it took for the boat to get to the top.Click image for larger version. 

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    Please tell me you are just making a joke right now and this did not actually happen.....
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