48 in record time?

Just been looking at all the record attempts over the last year. For example...the very hyped,extremely commercialized and over publicized AT attempt by Speed Goat Karl. (just a personal opinion on the commercialism not the hiker himself. He gets all the credit in the world for pushing through!) Or the still holding record in Colorado by John Basham. Or just posts by David Horton.

Everyone refers to our peaks here in NH (as I would agree) rough, tough, yet gorgeous and inspiring! Does anyone hold a speed record on the fastest times for all 4000's in spring, summer or fall? Not Matts unassisted attempt but a true speed in days attempt?

Just curious is all.

Blueblaze said:

Everyone refers to our peaks here in NH (as I would agree) rough, tough, yet gorgeous and inspiring! Does anyone hold a speed record on the fastest times for all 4000's in spring, summer or fall? Not Matts unassisted attempt but a true speed in days attempt?

Just curious is all.

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Tim Seaver who broke Cave Dog's record. He holds the winter and non winter and some others.

Just been looking at all the record attempts over the last year. For example...the very hyped,extremely commercialized and over publicized AT attempt by Speed Goat Karl. (just a personal opinion on the commercialism not the hiker himself. He gets all the credit in the world for pushing through!) Or the still holding record in Colorado by John Basham. Or just posts by David Horton.

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As far as giving him credit, what's wrong with coming close and continuing on? Is every silver and bronze medalist supposed to be scorned and told what losers they are? If someone wants to pay me to hike or run or take photos I'm all for it. I'll be a running photo taking nut, a lot better than many other things I can be doing.

Tim's Times:

July 2003 - New Record
The Wild Whites Ultramarathon
What: All 48 peaks on the AMC's 4000' list.
Location: White Mountains, NH.
New Record : 3 days, 15 hrs., 51 min.
Old Record : 3 days, 17 hrs, and 21 min.

March 2006 - New Record
New Hampshire 4000'ers in Winter
NH Winter 4000'ers
What: All 48 peaks on the AMC's 4000' list during Calendar Winter.
Who: Cath Goodwin and myself, accompanied by Jeff Vieno and/or Andrew Hawley on most of the peaks.
230.7 Miles 71,396' Elevation Gain
New Record : 9 days, 20 hrs, and 24 min.
Team Time: 9 days, 23 hrs, and 13 min.
Old Record : 10 days, 22 hrs, and 37 min.

http://www.vermontphoto.com/timrecords.htm

For a minute there Dave, I thought you were one of the team when I read "Who: Cath Goodwin and myself," only after I checked the link did I realize it was Tim Seaver.

Pretty awesome feet!

ColdRiverRun said:

Tim Seaver who broke Cave Dog's record. He holds the winter and non winter and some others.

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Of course I will point out here that for the summer road-to-road time used by AMC rules, Cave Dog was ~12 hours faster than Tim Seaver.

No idea if anyone has claimed a spring or fall time.

As far as giving him credit, what's wrong with coming close and continuing on?

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Nothing at all. Very few of the entrants of the Boston Marathon for example have any hope of winning, their goal is just to finish at a time good for themself.

Finishing is everything

ColdRiverRun said:

Tim Seaver who broke Cave Dog's record. He holds the winter and non winter and some others.


As far as giving him credit, what's wrong with coming close and continuing on? Is every silver and bronze medalist supposed to be scorned and told what losers they are? If someone wants to pay me to hike or run or take photos I'm all for it. I'll be a running photo taking nut, a lot better than many other things I can be doing.

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As I said he gets all the credit for not giving up and atleast finishing.

Return of the Gadfly

RoySwkr said:

Of course I will point out here that for the summer road-to-road time used by AMC rules, Cave Dog was ~12 hours faster than Tim Seaver.

No idea if anyone has claimed a spring or fall time.

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This is becoming somewhat of a yearly tradition.

1. Someone innocently asks about "the record."

2. Another person helpfully supplies the correct information.

3. Roy waddles over to pretend that the AMC rules somehow apply to the challenge.

4. I point out that he is imagining things.

5. Everyone gets a good laugh and moves on.

I'm glad we got this out of the way early this year

Waddle!!

WADDLE---you got that right....

Tim Seaver said:

This is becoming somewhat of a yearly tradition.

1. Someone innocently asks about "the record."

2. Another person helpfully supplies the correct information.

3. Roy waddles over to pretend that the AMC rules somehow apply to the challenge.

4. I point out that he is imagining things.

5. Everyone gets a good laugh and moves on.

I'm glad we got this out of the way early this year

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Whats more, am I correct Cave Dog even acknowledged YOU were the record holder by his rules? Come to think of it, I don't believe I even saw the AMC MENTIONED in the rules he listed in the link.

But hey, I am no fan of the AMC, so I may be biased .

Brian

Yup, let's move along. Nothing to see here.

Is there a patch for this?

Until I hear the rules from a legitimate patch-issuing authority, I just can't excite myself about trying this list.

The patch is a picture of the mountains blurred

I heard someone took about 40 years to complete the list. That must be the record. It comes with a scroll, patch and all the bragging rights.

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I heard someone took about 40 years to complete the list. That must be the record. It comes with a scroll, patch and all the bragging rights.

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I took 41 years (Lafayette 1964 -Carrigain 2005) but I'm sure that's not the record.

Papa Bear said:

I took 41 years (Lafayette 1964 -Carrigain 2005) but I'm sure that's not the record.

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I'm 46 and and have completed 33 of 48 in 31 years. 41 years? Not even a challenge!

Maybe I have it

I have to check but I think I took longer, (Started in 59)but hell they keep adding peaks that grew as I was shrinking from the pounding and carrying 55 lb packs when there was no ultralight technogear and Beef Stew was, well ,made by Dinty Moore.

If it wasnt for Tang everything would have weighed 2.5 lbs

Now with the probable possible addition of 2 more- Clay and East Brunnelt I may really hold the record since it will take me several weeks to do each.

Climbing Stallion/BMT

So are there any true guidlines or are those rules listed in that link by cave dog his interpretation?

Blueblaze said:

So are there any true guidlines or are those rules listed in that link by cave dog his interpretation?

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Cave Dog made them up, did it, and then issued a challenge. Tim took up the challenge and beat Cave Dog's record.

Interestingly, the original "record holders" the Fitch Brothers (1973) aged 17 and 15 respectively, climbed the 46 peaks then on the list in six days, 15 hours and 30 minutes. They had no support and as I recall used a bicycle (or bicycles) stashed at trail heads to get to successive trail heads. They also made up their own rules, finishing at Madison Hut. Other than finishing at the hut rather than calling time on Mt. Madison, their trek was close to Cave Dog's rules, although hardly spelled out. One of the Fitches posts here occasionally so he might chime in. Mohamed has a brief sketch of these various endeavors: http://home.earthlink.net/~ellozy/records.html#tocref2

It's always a game. You play someone else's game and try to beat him or her or you make up your own game. The AMC's rules are after all just their game (Marion Underhill's rules?). They don't own the peaks anymore than the Fitches or Cave Dog. One could do the contest today using the Fitches peaks and using a bicycle and claim a record (assuming you beat them, no mean feat). Would that attract attention or support? Try it and see.

You want better rules? Make them up and see if anyone cares to follow them.

Recently I read an account of the "grid" and it takers, to be honest, I found it quite impressive. My point in all this is that there are many breaking or attempting to break records. While this lends to the folklore of the mountains and provides foder for many, Im reluctant to jump on the bandwagon. Ive climbed many years in the whites, never done the grid, never broke any records ( maybe some on multiple ascents of a single peak) but Im not a limelight guy. To me just being out there is enough.